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CONCERNING RELIGION AND STATE:

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CY oſſe Interrozatorte doubts, about tbe generall contentions berwixe the Seminaric Prieſts and Iefuis at this preſent.

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XPERIENCE hath madethe caſe = I Df n all ſcrences,arts, and profeſuons, where "hy maze capacttie doth ſhew the ſoules excellencie, 4 L © '/) in apprehenſion, d i{coarſe, aud indzement of CO things paſt, preſent, or to come, by inuen tron, morall contecture,and wit of man: that the ſe fine | Rules hold ont as inexpugnable Principles, af= 11,6 wuthor in a

firmed of all,and denyed of none : tow. Firit, tele fre Prince

? ples & certainties that no ground in Diumnitie, no Axiomein Philoſophie, a0 Maxime in of thing, of none C1 y: __ ev!

the Lew no Paragraffe in poſitine Diſcourſe,ao Paradoxe amongſt O- dearly comince

rators, no Propoſition amonzit Schoolemen,no Article of our faith a- M1 "oiaemon

monzt Apoſtles by (acred O Ecumentcall Synode, defi, ucd,depoſed,and tons of many

orofle errours: heided to be thus and none otherwiſe beleened, and t aken vnder pate hich ig ignorant Co Cell of 4.112nation: but the ſame may be impugned by a ſeeming reaſonable gp br

he to the contrarie, with arguments of proofe in ſhew holden on a \ew Shonrerd

whole day by fine wits, in a ſchoole deſpicion: and the defend at ſo gra- 3 that their Ge-

nerall with his

welled (if of dull and ſlow conceit ) that he ſhall have no reaſoi to deny companie of Pro- uinc1als, cannot

that to be true: (as verbi gratia: that blacke is whte : that 4 m4 4 cre: tharthey morſe: that there 1s no God at all g5'c. )which to auerre to be ſalſe, he is ©0007 ive in

their dofrine, ins and will berearve to ſpend his life, and ſhed his deareſt Blond. ecordly, Rrafhig ment, and the

:hit bonum & malum, vert:/e andwice, religion and hereſic \ ſtan- like: that the oundation of _

ding in 6ppoſetion on? azainſt the other, yet haue this concordance by 4 tycir ome is 3

Nece ſa te ſequele inſertedi into the ſubiect, wherein they are inherent by te of molt per-

te&tion of any o0-

proper kind: as if you ould pon proofe of either by examples , the one rver&e. All

which errours, bai! ballance and beard ont the other in anthoritie to the vitermo#t. wh manyother

arermpugned by

Thirdly, that there s no new thing vnder the Sunne, nor any inuentl- gg ano Of 01 of wit inuerted,but anothers wit can equall it by innenting the ſame. (x lownecatin a

Forrthly, that there is no certaintie of. any thins here 0a earth but that paricular Quod.

hb s h ol. the fall and feand, the life and acath, and the very Periods of times, lowing © = 2

. na

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tcration and downefall , kzowne to Cod alone. F:iftly,that Ariſtotles Principle, ſcil. Generatio vnius,clt corruptio alterius, 75 ſo perſett a current of time, and 9 ble to all,not onely phyſicall or naturall,but alſo mora!l > politicall cadences and wp-refts, as no excellencie ſo raxe but hath beene abaſed, no complex:9%1 ſo perfeet, but hath bene corrup. ted. 10 Mareſtic ſoregall, but hath bene ſubiefted : no power fo great, but hathcome to nothing: no found-:tion fo firme, ftrong,and (irc, but }.ith bene ſhaker, yea and hitherto quite onerthrowne ( wnleſje it were, ho impregnable rocke of the Church, which hargs vpon certitude dine pillars independent <por hremane chaunce and channze: ) and 1.0 cormonwealth, corporation ,ſocietie,or {late ſo prudent pe ant perſhicnons in allthings to make them famozcs eterniced,and their rond:1:on of life, oouernmemnt ,and order permance:t, but hane had their {rites by ſacceediu2 tirns, with a 0 leſſe fearefull eclzpſe of their former {ane, then a $vtable diminution of their wonted glorie. | Thus came all the mightie Mozzarchs, Worthies, and Monarchies o/ the world (a5 it were by a naturall ſucceſaon of birth and bloud, de- = woluted from the father to the ſonne) to hae their riſe and fall one after pe mcancnke 110thefsT he Aſlyrians firſt ſwayed the ſcepter Royall of the worlds thar Monarti®s » 102127012 , and longest of all other continued with the ſame: and

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nd ſeg then ſo famons as their Nabuchodonolor, in whoſe preſezice the fors on,-x, Baie whole earth kept fulence: but yet ſubiect to corriiption, Who ener had a or lofttcy fall, as to be turned aut of the proper feature of a man,into the fs (eſwrro 1 24//{ll purport of a beaſt:and in the end his K1#gdome taken from his

vpand downe, 25 /n;{6, p143e and Unene face of a commonwealth remaining vnder any the A//yries was, So ; = —_— Aſlyrian ritle at thrs day.T hen roſe wp the Periian Prince:andwhere raryed farae her ſayles aloft, but vader the canapeall beaver of a Dari- He alludetht9 115 es br iefe, the renowned Monarch of the world in his dayes : and

the Matcttie of | | - : ; King Darus in ot ſhe alſo was caſt off from the higheſt Pyramidcs of fortunes wheele.

his briete fummeo

ofall the worlds F07 .1/thorgh the now Perſian Sophie haue reconered an Aſiaticke Pens”. 11periall ſtate againe: yet by the folly of Darius, his houſe and line,the

der his ſtately

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worarchie, '® {ond Monarchie , whereof Daniel ſpoke, was tranſlated from the

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«me fealt, Medes and Perfians to the Greckes. T hen in ſpectall, the c Aracedonian Alexander, ( a ſecond Worthy

of the Gentiles )was the glorie of former fame of his own, & wonder of

fature ages, as the onely admired at Heyoes of the woridin his days .

But yet ſuch is 1he painefull birth of Princes, and jhort, ſorowfull, and

copleforne

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domes and rega!! ſ'ates, as Alexander after twelue yeares ratgne yeel. ain to deftinie in Babylon, there conſumed to duſt: his Monarchie was denided into foure principall (beſides other inferior ) members oy Empires. And then againe out of that Greekiſh corruption didriſe 4 Ltine generation of aRomane Monarchie: which in a tottering ſtate by tract of time, is come vnto that paſſe, wherein we now do ſee it .One while the Romane Czſlars, 1yd Otauians caryed away the trophees and triumphes of the world, from all people and nations under heauen. : After them the Albions or zreat Britons Conſtantine,merited the renowne to the famons Englith Iſle: then the worthie French Char-_ lemaine zot the fame by Alarttall prowes aud iuſt deſerts to his wor. thre ſelfe,people,and nation where he lined. After that azaine,the Lum- bards, and with them the Germaines ( where the tmperiall triple Crowne of Czeſar yet remaines vp ad downe) had the praiſe for many yeares together,

And now hath the Portingals and Spaniards contizued > kept the honours point for Martial! exploits theſe latter yeares: but who ſhall ca- rie away the price in the cadences of the Spaniards God only knoweth.

T hus came the foure Patriarkesof Hiecuſalem, Antioch, Alexan« dria, aud Conſtantinople, by ſucceſNon of honor, wealth and fame in Gods Church, toriſe and fall one after another : and now all decayed, dead and zone from their arncient ſiate , renowne and dignitie inthe Church of God here militant on eaxth . T hus came all cAonaſticall, Heremiticall, and religious orders of Saint Anthony of Saint Baill, of Saint Auguſtine, of Saint Hierome, of Saint Benedict, of Sat Bernard,of Saint Dominicke , of Saint Frances ,of Saint Clare, of Sint Briget, and ſuwdrie other yelicious orders of men and women, to haue their generation and corruption , by the freedome left of God in humane attions and mans choiſe , to be good or bad, vertuous or vict-

' 016,414 to riſe and fall by ſucceſFon,one after another by merited fame and uſt deſert, of their life, manners and graces, giuen and employed . by them to Gods glorie. In few, thus came the ſpirituall Knighthoods of the Templers, the Knights of Saint lohns he Knizhts of Rhodes, and now of Malto: bya lineall ſucceſsion of fame , renowne and worthi.

meſſe to haue panigericall hiſtories ſet foorth of their prayſes. _And the bke is of later orders and ſocieties of Carmeliſts, Carthuſians, Ca- pouchians, Theatines,[eſuits, Bonhommes,&c. a!l which ſet 901; | 43

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the worlds T heater repreſent a moaurnfull tr2gedie of mans miſerie : how like to flowers, they haue now one and then another order, compas- ie or ſoctette, burgened, bloſſomed , bloomed and fio::rijhed : and yet ſubiect tothe fates of free-will ta all humane wigh4ts : their der1uatines are ſtrayed abroad, haue left and are gone from theobedience,Avrotion, pretze, poxertie, chaſtitie, charitte , humilitte, patzence , and religious ceale,which was in the primitines and founders of their Orders. . What jhal we ſay more,the whole body myſlicall of Chriſt conſiſting , of the three eſtates, Fceleſtaſticall, Temporall,and M1 03:aſticall,ao a- u:rre the Peripatetical! Prince his principle to be truc in all things (de-

pending wvpon chance and chaunge )concernias the connerſ10n of coun-

1r16s , people and nations tothe Catholike faith. For ws not the acne-

7.11408 or vezinnine of the Moſaicall law a plaine corrupi199, fall, and

decay of the law of nature: all the Gentiles ( preſently wpor the Orient r1ſe, bright ſhine,and flouriſh of the I{raelites Church,and their He- brew Monarch) beiag giuen oner tato infidelitie and 1dolatric, con- trariczothe law of nature, vnder which the faithfull had lined aboue two thouſand yeares, without diſtinction of Tew or Gentile, vntill this Moſaicall law bezam. And when for the Tewes [innes and offences , the period of their cAlonarchie, and endoftheir ſynazozues and temples, honour and relizion came , did not then the primitines of the Eaſt Church amoneſt the Chriſtians carry away the auriflambe of all religt- 0145 Feale? After that when the heauie cadens of the Eaſt Church came,

4 not alſo then the Sonne of inſtice , tanquam ſponſus procedens

dethalamse ſuo, ſpread abrode the bright beames of his (þouſes glorte

11atranſparant light, throuzhout theſs our Wet Ocean cloudes of

heatheniſh darkneſſe , and zine to theſe Northyen Iſles the prerogatine r-gall of Prime-birth to his inheritance rf the Britons, and afterwards the Engliſh Saxons conld haue kept tt. hen by fe:cceding turnes themoſl part of Affia and Affeicke was corrupted and fallen away, and all Europe connerted to the ſacred A- poſtolicall Romane faith: when Monaſleries bezan in this North Chrt. [fran world{tobe built, and great multitudes of Alonkes, Friers, Ca- nons regulars, Nunnes, and other ſacred Saints and holy perſons to cou» {ort themfelues together: when En-perors, Kings, Queencs, Princes, Lord's and Ladies of all degrees, fled from their reeall Palaces to priuat Cels, ard left the triumphes of their conqueſts, the trophees of their loucs, and pompes and pleaſures of their Conrts , towho ſo would poſſeſſe

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them : whe here an Anchoreſſe, there an Hermit, andin etiery wood, wild and deſert, ſome ſacred virgine, valed,inueſted, interred & dead to the world, was to be found: when all fertile ſoyles , all places of plea- ſare , profite and content , all earthly wea! ths, and revenues of p10jt woorth, were turned into Abbey and Church laids , linigs and liaely. hoods: when holy emulation ws, who might 'eie moſt ,'all gant of the beit, and made this ftouriſhing Tie our Ladiesdower : when Kings and Ducenes, Priefts and Prelates, Lords and Ladies, Monkes and Friers, ſacred Virgins and chaſt Matrons , and al! ſorts of perſons knew their d-ties,firſt to God,tots Chnych,es to her Priefis:then tatherr Prince, to the Common wealth andto her Peeres:and laſtly each one to another, how, when,and where to commannd ox obey © whenall thines {orted ta fo ſweet a ſympatheall haymonte in Enghſh hearts, as England by 4 prerozatine royail of grace dinine, merited to be called Anglia chara | Deo gens: when flyms fame of their rare Angelicall connerſation had fronted the coaſts of furtheſt conntries. and arcupied with areat admi. ration of mind the mouthes uf paſt meninthe world :whenEngland, Fraunce a4 Flaunders, Iraly, Bohemia and Germany, Spaine, Portugal ad Hungary, Sicilie, Naples and Cyprus, Denmarke, Poland azd Sweden , Scotland, Irelandana' Norway, did ſiriut: for 4 ſupremacie to carry away the zarland of vertne., devotion index l:2i02 on all ſides. T hen inimicus homo, eaayinr at mansfcliontrec, he conforme ( by permiſaon diuine ) Gods concurrence withſccondatie cauſes, to the Philoſophers preſcript of generation and corruption : 11 trait of time, corrupting all theſe Northren autd Weſterne parts of the world, with contention, ambition, T urciſme,hereſie and” Phariſazſme; a new zeneration of Catholike truth and religion bezius to labour,and bring [oorth their children amoneſt the Indians,” Antipodies, and new found world, before unknowne vnto theſe Northren and Weſtere - | parts: 4i{conered firſt by Portingals and Friers,and after proceeded in by Spaniards and Ieſuits. And now liſten what followed. + .. Amonzit many other cadences and fals, the heanieſt of all the reſs hth bene ind4ged by many to hane bene our Englith calamitzes, begun at firſt by the ambitions aſpires of Cardinal! \Woltey,who affecting the h17heſt Soneratzatie in cauſes Eccleſiaſtical! on earth , made a great breach by his contrarie plotting , betwixt King Henry the cizht of fa. 1% remorie, and the Sea Apoſtolicke. And afterward, when under her Miieſtic, Queens Elizaberh our Sonerargne now r2ghant, ſsrarie A 4 Bon

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ſeluesto pu of ſtudie and ſeruice of their Lord God beyond the ſeas,

where they lined in diuerſe Seminaries and Colledges, leading there 4 right Monaiticall and 7 7 life, in a mot perfect ſtate of religious

| profeſcon, calling and order,\( «5 hoth all other religions Orders, and

Eccleſiaſtical perſons that connerſed with them, or knew their manney of life, and whereunto their whole ſtudie tended, did acknowledge ſom- times in teares) proceeding after their returne hither, in {1mplicitare cordis, with all humilitie, patience , and charitie, abjiratted from all

gaule, zuile,or [tate affaires: as men moſt willing to communicate Gods

bleſings andygraces t0 others , frudtifying maruellouſly in ovr countrie by them, and accepting as coadintors with them in this their haruest 9 Gods behalfe, all and enery relizio:'s perſon of any Order that would ha7ard themſclues as they did, Ladour lanznaze, and ſhould come w! 'N like Apoſtolicall commiſgon and anthoritie wherewith they came: rone otherwiſe then as Saunt Auguſtine our Apoſtle firſt entred this land. Of all the reit of religious Orders, that wndcytookewith the Se. mminaries this ſpecial! confi:e, the fathers of the ſocietie of Jeſus were

the mo#t in number: who preſently forgetting the Apoſtolicall worke of

Seminarie Prieſts alreadie taken tn hand,began foortwith to take a new

prepoſterous and nener heard of Apoſtolicall conrſe for connerſion of

countries: to wit, by tampering, temporiting and (tatiFing like marti-

all men , or common ſouldters in the field of warre, in all temporall,

mundane ,and ſiratazemicall affarres. | The Seminarics innocently iudging the beſt of their bad meanings {as charitie, they thought, did bind them) were willing at the firit to

colour, hide, and conceale all: making the Teſuites cauſe,attempts, m-

tents, practiſes, and proceedings, therr ownein every thing , and yeel. dirs to them the preheminence, fame, honour and renowne in enery a- lion atted by them: untill at laſt they were intanzled by penall lawes initly made againſt them equally, as againſt the Tcſutts: ( whoſe plots ad = ſes, they ſeemed at firſt to defend, oy at leaſt to winke at) and

rwiihall perceiued that the Teſ. religious pierce, being turned into meere -

feculzr, or rather temporall and laicall pollicie,aid occaſionatein them anaſpire to ſourratentie : and that taking anelle vpon an inch amen them, 41d tempt them with an ambitions hope of domineering ouer them, and thereby oner the wholt Clearzie and ſtate Eccleſiaſticall:and then the faid Prieſts for their owne indempnitie, were driuen to prouide

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ad looke to themſclues. Echinc illaz lachrymae of all the entls that ſince haue enſued , aſwell reſpecting the perſecutions inflicted vpon vs all, for their owne peculiar and primate practiſes,as alſo n regard of the harth:rnings aid contentions, that ſince haue bene andare at this pre- ſent betwixt them and the Seminarie Prieſts: which heame accident, aud of all other oft jlraunge manner of proceeding m the Teſuits, hath caſed many to bath their ſrehes in bloud, and me to theame my ſpeech 11 tcares,to thiyke, how that their inſolencie hath paſt /o | farre beyond the bounds of cbarity,znſtice and all humanity ,as I muſt be forced to o- pea toa'l the worl1, what graſſe errors they ao maintaine, how maruel- louſly the people axe blinded, and ſeduced by them: and how dangerous aracethey rune te their owne and all others deſirution , that will be curre,ts of that fatall courſe begun by them, with contempt of Priest- hood and all Eccleſiaſtical order, with contempt of ſacred Maiteitie, and ull maziſter14l! gonernment, and with moſt turbulent , ſeditions, and rechorous innouations , ſupplantattons, defamations, and ſlaun- ders of ll, that rubbe not on their loftie banke , revellions and conſpira- cies azainſt both Pope and Prince, Church, Commonmwealth,and all c. ſtates thercan. | | And becauſe that (as I hane ſhewed) there is nothing permanent or certaine here on earth, ſane ozely the powey of Prieſthood, for admint- ſtring of the Sacraments, (that ſentence propheticall ſlanding irrepea- [able ſor exer, tu es ſacerdos in xteraum ſecundum ordinem Mel- chiledech)ad that irremoneable zround of truth, graunted only and wholly to the ſame prieſtly power, to remaine without all poſabilitie of errour in Saint Peters charre to the worlds end: all other foundations, aſſurances , priniledges and prerogatines fayling, ſare this alone: no Monarch in the world betng ſure of hu eſtate , no religious Ordey being certain of their ſand, nor perſon of most perfection being freed from chance ad cl a1:ge, from better to worſe,and to haue a hideous downe- fall this night before to morrow : hereupon (as inour caſe in hand we han experience )there riſing many thouſands of abſurdities, whiſpered tnto zadding heads, and itching eares by ſo many intricate politicall plots and deuiſes, as for to ſet them downe m a poſttiuediſcourſe, Rheto- ricall ſtile or hiſtoricall method,were but oleum & operam perdere- the ignorant multitude(to whom the mattey moſt belongs for their bet- ter inſlruttion, eſpecially whom the Teſutts vſe moſt, as women goſpel.

ters, trumpetters of their prayſes) being not poſcibly able to conceine,

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wuch leſſe to carry away ſo many particular points, as are in queſtion betwixt 4/s and the Teſuits: and as which (if either they acknowledge an obedience to Gods Church , to the Popes Holineſſe, and to all or ante ”r:eft, or a due loya/tzc to their Prince and Soneratene, or a dutifull re. \bect to the common weauth of their natiue land, or any lone or affe@tiox

0 their fleſh, blond, kindred, friends, and generally to all noble, gene.

10:44, and humane Engliſh hearts: or laſtly, any care of they owne ſoules, good name and fame before God and man- ) they muſt heare of, conceiue of, hane beaten into their heads and hearts , and carry abont ._ with them for their better information, reſolution & conceit of things «te Catholtks tndeed,where ener they zo or happen into company,pru- rienres auribus, & a veritate auditum auertentes: which is a com. - mon caſe amonsſt ſully women, more deuont then diſcreet, as alwayes in extreames, either Saints or Diuels. I haue therefore thought vponthe eaſteſt, readieſt, briefeit , platneſt and exatteſt of any other courſe or methode, that (I thinke )could poſibly be found ont, aſwell to ſatisfie all parties, that deſire tobe reſolued of all or any point in queſtion among3t

ws: or that will not wilfully and malitionſly (as God forbid any Catho-

like or well minded Schiſmaticke ſhould) be caried away with populay applauſe into _—_— errours: 4s alſo to deliney the truth and ſtate of the matter by ſuch interrogatorie queſtions, Articles or Quodlibets, as

ſha/l both touch to the quicke, whatſoener ts offered , propoſed, or comes

to be examined, quſtioned withall, or reaſoned vpon amonzſ} the lear- ned or tenorant on any ſide: and yet withall allay the paſions of the con-

trarie affected Reader, and abate the heate of the hauzhtie heart in all or any that find themſelnes touched or griened therewith. So as by this kind of Methode, they ſhall hawencither cauſe in{tly to complaine of in- iurie or wron7 done or offered vnto them: neither any enaſron or means toeſcape from pra and making known what 5172 their very harts, who are wrovged, and who are 10t, what egery one is bound for his own ſecure, to ſpeake, write, beleene ard practiſe in thi(e things, and how farre he may go thertn. For if that by way of a Quodi:bet or T heſispro- poſed, a man may without blaſphenne, ſinne, ſcandal, or any offence in the world, ache whether God or the Dinell be to be hononred : whether or Saviour Chriſt conld ſinne or 20: whether our bleſſed Lady were an aduliveſſe or common woman or notre. and withall to bring argu- ments ſilloziſticall, enthimematicall and indudtine, or exemplarie pro & contra for anerring, andimmproning of the ſame : then toput foorth

a queſtion &..

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a queſtion, whether a Seminarie Prieſt or a Teſuite ought ſooner to be credited,cſteemed of, and followed: whether a Teſuite be a good or a bad man: whether their doetrine be erronious, trecherous and [editions o 20t-: whether it be lawfull to call a knaue a knane , an hereticke an here. ticke,a traitor a traitor,a baſtard a baſtard,e&+c.or not: and how,when, where az:4 vpon what occaſions ſuch queſtions, doubts, and interroga. tories may and ought to be propuſed, and anſwer made pro & contra

agreeing to humane concett, morall capacitte, and inſt cenſure of and in

ſuch caſes,cannot mſtly incurre any reprehenſion or blame. Beſtdes, this

kind of proceeding ſhall (as Thane ſaid) both drine the true conceipt of

matters the better into peoples hearts, heads and eares : and yet not ex.- aſperate any by galling words (which poſitine diſcourſes in accuſations do ordinarily occaſionate, and cannot be auoyded) further then the rip- ping vp of truth in things neceſſarie to be knowne,mmſt needs ſtirre and maue the guiltie, confines by this meanes to hold wp bis hand at barre,and to haue his wounds launced , ſearched and diſconered to the very naked heart in open ſight.

T his then being the ſumme of what 1 intend to write aud hexe pro- poſe, to no other end, as I take my ſweet Sauiour and all his holy An- 2els and Saints to witneſſe , then to deliuer the tenoraizt out of errour :

10 21ue to the terſacred Apoſtolicall Romane Church , faith aud Relizi-

0a their due, and to make known what loyaltie,what ſernice, what deare affection ouzht to be in enery ſubieft (enen by authoritie of all lawes of God or man) in defence of their Prince, countrie and ſlate where th hue: I will hold the indifferent, diſpaſtonate, aud diligent Reader, with no _—_ diſcourſe of a Preamble : but leauine all to his beſt con ceipts, and deſiring no emll opinion , ſiniſter conſtruction or hard cen- ſare to paſſe of my well meant indenuors, I commit his ſharpe wits,or her ſwift thoughts to the ſpeedie encounter of this Bucke of the firſt head in the que#t at enery Quodlibeticall relay, ſetin the purſuit oftheir game.

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"THE contents of this booke ſhall appeare the Table of che

Articles: meane while be pleaſed gentle Reageryo take theſe Ji-wles to gmide you in this Diſconrſe. We -3 Firſt, be not haſtse to cenſure of. any part or parcell, wnte!l AY | 0 hare read the whole booke throughout: if you will be free Go —— from partialitie , and reſt reformed of errour, aud quieted 1 { atholthe untie, lone and peace. -

Secondly , if you find m ſome Page, the names of particular perſons, places, Oc. expreſly ſet downe, and in other Pages concealed: take the reaſon & cauſe thereof to be this, to wit: that in the concealement, the reſpett is had to the hurt that might be done, by opening ſuch matters, men,time place, words, writings, Cc. and againegin the expre(ſe diſconery of them,the reſpeFt u had to the com- mon cauſe hindred by concealement of ſuch perſons, aftions,Cc.

Thirdly, take thzs for arule infallible, that no ſecret 1: written of here in particular, which was not before publikely knowne aſwell to our common «ts rerſaries, as to our owne company: and that aſwell by letters taken, as by their owne confeſſions in publike manner whom the fa concerned. 4 Founthhy, be not t00 CUY10715 14 theſe two points, v=.if you find [ttrary faults eſcaped by the Printer, 45 quz for quod, Malto for Malta, auno primo for actione prima, and many /zcb like , which the prudent Reader may corre Cy the ſenſe, and vpon his owne knowleage, without ſetting downe Errata here for excry partientar. eAgenre, if you find ſome words more ſharpe and buing then in your corceit rs requiſite, yet ao nt for that condemnecither the whete Booke, which res petterh the matter, whereupon all o#r Company FT, fe Et do a gree, and not the words, ſentences.or phraſe of ſpeech which re{tebteth the h= monr of enery man with ſuch a oiſference ,' as almoſt tmpoſſible to pleaſe ull mens veines, or (ymbolixe v! thiherr metheds,conceits ad means : nathey yet do you upon aiſlike of, ſuch ſpeeches, or of the Auther condemne the canſe, or the reſt of his brethren: for what 1s more common th-1: for one mar. to cine cenſureand indee of a caſe this, and for arother [9: and withall even wn pownts of moſ mportance a controuerfie aecided in ſacred ſynoae, ts [et downe mmfal= libly true, but the Seribe notwithſfanding in adding a reaſon of his owne in ex=

planing the Text or Canon, may commit a great ſiune aud grofſe erronr, and

yet vot the decree of the C epncel; to be eucr the worſe thought ef, or of leſſe credite. |

No XL IAR '&'> > THE ARGVMENT O firſt Generall Quodliber.

Orafmuch as all thefe 10 Quodlibers conſiſting of to Articles a peece, baue arclation

tothe good or harme done, inand to the Church, common-wealth, the heads of both, and principall members ether ſpecificall or indiuiduall in either of them by the lelnitsfa- ction and contederats, in caſting of plots for their purpolte and moſt aduantage : alwell by plauſible pcr{lwaſtons In paliages ot ſpeech , as allo by countermined plattormes in practicall conſpiracies, | thoughr it g00d to give youto vnderſtand{asa point ofimpor- rance necellary to be Knowne) that all and encry ofthe'e Quodlibets and Articles, are of fuch ſpecrall matrer, asthey are not to be tearmed Metaphiticall conceits, or conieftured inventions ot ſpeculative knowledge, butare invery deed Phiſicall,praCticall and knowne things, which rife in queſtion, and are ralked of cucry where, of Clcargy and Laity, Ca- tholikes and Proteſtants, men and*women, nobles and gentiles, boycs and girles, home- borne ſubieCts,and aliens or ſtrangers : yea , what part of Chriſtendome, nay ofthe whole Macrocoime this day , almoſtis tree or exempted from the knowledge or hearing of what I meane to dilcufle and realon of 1n bricte : no nation vnder the cope of heauen but ſhall hnd thEſelues touched, and to have an intereſt, part,and portion in ſome one or other oftheſe queſuons quodhbetical,& articles here propoled.For which caulc the firſt Quodh- bet offered as an obiedt to the eyes of the ignorant, ſcemeth hitly to be tearmed a Qugd- Jiber of plots by ſcandale and offence taken by ſome Pharifaically or lewiſhiike, and there- tore notto be regarded: by others ſuperſtitiouſly, or rather too tcrupulouſly,and therefore neceſſary to beinformed of therruth, and reformed of their errour : as being inthe orign- nall ſcandale not directly giuen , but onely taken of their mfirmity and weake iudge- ment, and vnderſtanding(for a prudent, wile,and ſound Catholike,or other perlon of ſtayd wit,cenſure and conceit, will neuer be ſcandalized at theſe contentions or the like.)And therefore hauc | placed it inthefirſt ranke, and before all other , as an introduction, to take away all (cruple out of denout (but indilcreetly zealous) and tender hearts; in ferious reading,peruſing and canuaſing the caſe,& caule ot contentions Cerwixtvs and the Icluits: akvellin theſeten crofſe interrogatories as in others tet downe in order, one aitcr anothes in forme following, Amongſt all which this being a chicfe and common paſſage of ſpecch, v here Catholikes, Scilmatikes,and others do meete : to wit,what great {candale theſe contentions haue gtuen,&c therefore thus gothe articles concerning that matter.

THE FIRST QVODLIBET OF plots by {candalc.

D Hether the Seminarie Prieſts or the Teſutts were firſt begmnens þ] of the/e contentions betwixt them , and how long hath this tho= ' rough burnt coale of ſeandale lien ſmothered in the hote unber's ST ofzealous hearts before it did burſt out into that hideors flame: ” which like a Babylonian fornace ſcorcheth and burneth thoſe. who f:rſt aid caſt their brethren mo it, =

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THE ANSWERE.

. He leſuits were the firſt beginners thereof , andhaue continiied on | Ta Salamandrian ſmoake of vaporous heats,cuentrom their firſt au- thority gotten ouer the Engliſh Colledge and Seminaries at Rome, yntill the foy(tedin authority of mailter Z/xckwels Archpresbitery was conueied ouer the ſeas into England . At whattime the miſtie cloudes of long con= ceited oucraignty did giue a cracke,and the lightning flaſhing ouer all this whole Ile of England, Scotland,and Wales : the thunder-bolt tell ypon the aſflicted Prieſts and ſeruants of God, ſtrikingall refiftants with Eccleſralti- cal! cenſures, without remorſe, pity, compaſſiontaken, or any reſpect had of either dureſle or impriſonment, or yet the affliction and daunger which obroad they liued in day and night, And ifany now be deſirous ro know more preciſely of thele generalities in particular manner, he may pleale to reade {undry bookes and records of this matter ſet out at large, what great :roubles, inceflant aMliction, and extreame miſerie, all hauc endured from time to tune, and how from pointto point , one contention did follow vp- pon another , preſently after that diſcord ſeedes were once ſowne in the Romane Colledge, by the plotcatters of the diuifion betwixt the Engliſh andthe Welch : which was nothing elſc but a canuas to diſgrace that re- uerend prelate doctor Lewis a Welchman borne , afterwards Biſhop of Caſſava > putting mailter orice trom the Rectorſhip of that _ whereunto doctor Lewes had preferred him. The which Colledge was firit founded as an Hoſpitall by Briton , and after Fno//b Saxon Kings and Princes of this land, for the reliefe of ſuch as wenton Pilgrimage, to viſite thole holy places, dedicated vnto Gods Saints and {cruants,by the memo- rable Martyrdome of 3 3,Popes,betwixt Saint Petey and Saint S:/reſter the hr{t: vader whom the Catholike Romane Church had peace and perfect quiet, This Hoſpitall being now tranſlated into a Colledge by doctor | Lewis meanes, then Archdeacon tothe Biſhop of { anzbray , add Refren- Jary to the Pope, atthat time was enriched with the pentionofan Abbacy by Gregory the thirteenth of all holy memorie : at what cime as Cardinal! »A!/ane erectedthe Colledge at Rhemes in Frannce , for the ſame end, in- :ent,and purpole of education, and bringing vp of Eg//3 youth in yertue and learning, rodo their Lord God and countrey ſeruice.

The !incere andreligeous, delignments of this graue learned and reue- rend Prelate being thus defeated by the diſplacing of mailter A7orrice,and a Ieſuic Prieſt made Rector of the Seminarie in his place : herehence a _ Soueraignty being gotrenin aſort ynder a colourable excuſe of teaching and reading to the £x9/4/5 youthes there ( which was the ſtroke of flintic . heads on iteely harts,that gaue fire to the ſeditious match, which hath wel- _ nigh ſetall Chriltendome on tice and flame )then followed a purſuite of ciallenging a ſuperiority by calling of Counſels, holding of Courts , and

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Jeciding of all matters here pe// ze! of their owne bare word ( I meane fa- ther Heywood, though after in diſgrace ) and other Ieſuits and Prieſts that tubiectcd thEleluesto his and their ſummons, without any knowne autho- rity inthe world foto do : tothe great diſcomfort, diſcontent and diſlike of many reverend Priclts, and other vertuous, learned , and graue perſons of the Catholike Laity : 1n whoſe high prudence it did euen then appeare,that te fire o: ambitious aſpires and contention begun at Rome , was cloſely conueied ouer the £yg/z/h Ocean, and would breake out (if not troade out 10 t1:mc)of it ſelte,as not many yeares after it did indeed . For the Seminary Prictts, ſtudying wholly the conuerfion of ſoules, and weining their thoughts from all conceits of ſuperiority or gouernement ouer cthersin that attiiCted ſtate, wherein all did live :did neuer imagine that any Iefuir or re}igeous perion would euer have dreamed, much lefſe haue ſought for any ſuch authority oucr (indeede ) their {uperiours, or at lealt their betters { as all Seminarie and lecular Pricſtes are ) neither were they willing to meddlein oppoſition againlt thern, if in cale they fought forit (as the wiler fort {aw plainely atthe fir{t, they molt preedily did attect it) being as deſt- rousto liue peaceably with all , as inconſ{iderate{ right Engliſhmen-like withtheir after wits ) to foreſce what would happen. Andit ſome one or moe brake out intermes againlt them, vpon injuries or wrongsreceiued at their hands : yet weretheir complaints and demands of ſatisfaction and tultice lo farrefrom being liltened vnto by any of the reſt of their brethren (lo cunningly had chey caſt their plots at firſt,all ouercalt witha bright ſee- ming cloud of religeous-zeale ) that euenthoſe who felt the griefe of the {ame thorne which prickt them at the heart , durſtnot once open their lips ' to ſpeake inthe detence of the innocent x but rather all with one voyce: with generall applauſe andclapping of hands , with whoopes, whowes and hoobubs , would thruſt them out for wranglers, diſcard them ſor make- bates, and hold them for vncharitable malecontents , and difordcred per- ſons. that ſhould ſcemeto ſpeake a word againlt a Iefuit : nay, that ſhould not treely,readily,and voluntarily conſent to whatfoeuer they defined,de- figned or determined. | Hereupouthe fire of contention more and more inkindling, conglobed togetherin the higheltcloudof{urly minds:and thereby giuing greater oc- calion of burſting out mroan vaquenchable flame : the next general] con- flictto keepe inthe lmoake was at Y/7/b1ch : where by Natures courſe, and Philoſophers conlent ( in generation of things) being vnnaturally growne toatull ripenefle, notable to hold inan y longer : father Edmond: ( alias 'Veſton,) wasthe Champion vader whole infelt banner of factious conten= tion and {editious aſpiresdiſplayd the ſharpe ſhot of puny Ieſuirs and their fautous, madefirlt dei challenge ot ſuperiority , and then a deuitionfrom their brethren the deſigned Martyrs , worthy confeflors and reucrend Pricits, ofand in that place (ſome _— had endured aboue twenty = 2

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{ome of thele hot-ſpurred cenſurers knew whar durance meant,as mailter , {uct tor one) and ſome others allo, who had ſufteced more affliction and calamiry,then any ofthele their young mailterseueryertalled of, And laſt ot allthe fire buritingout there firlt ( though hiſt enkindled at Rome, 3s carlt I{ayd) then began che like of treſh at Rome againe , where it burlt outinto fo furious and merciletle a conſuming flame ( for fire and water haue no mercy) as ſundry reuerend Prieſts burnt therewith , haue deepely protelted rhey would rather chule (if it were in their choile ) to live cap- tives ynder tac Turks for ſecurity of their ſoules , then vader the leſuits goucrnement, or rather indeede captiuity :the temprations ſuggeſted by them, are ſo many ,dangerous, intricate and dithcu't, which way to oucr= come them. And ſo by tucceeding turnes, Sparne, France, Flandersandall Enelandbecameinlected with theſe Teſuiricall contentions and garboyles: the grounds,originals,cauſes,and continuance whereof were onely, whol- ly and abſolutely the Ieſuits ambitious aſpires , fallen downe now vpon their heads , to their owne deſtruction , that were the firſt plotcaſters of their innocent bretarens ruines.

THE 1I. ARTICLE.

V : "þ 6 her the. Seminarie Prieſts or the Teſaits hane ginen greater [candaleby publiſhing of matters abroad, un prote@ts to the worlds theater, concerning theſe contentions before wm ſecret : at the firſt vnknowne to the Catholike Latty, and much leſſe to any Proteſtant , or other of a contrary Religion : and which ſide, part or fattion was the firſt beginners of ſpreading abroad mfamons letters and libeis, againſt the oppoſits to their aeſrouments.

THE ANSWERE.

Helcſuits were both the beginners of the contentions ( as beforeis

K thewed ) the fewell cariers tothe ſeditious fire-feedings, and the :c1t brokers, breathers, and brochers of them abroad, both to Catholikes, Proceltants Cleargy, Laity,men, women,children,nome-borne and forey- 2ers,as by lundry of their letters, libels, and other infamous, ſeditious, and maective writings, is yet extantco be fcene,, atwellin printed bookes,as in many manulcripts of mailter P/rhwel!, farher Parſons, Creſwell, Currie, * Gerara, Martm Array, Baldwin, Lyſter and ſundry others : wholc talſe,ma- :110us and meit exorbitant dealiogs to derect,detame,and vtterly extermi= nate the name,ame,and memory ofthe Seminaric Prieſts and Cleargy,a(- wellin generall, as in ſpeciall, will be brought out in depoſition apainſt c2em, waen competent judges may be had, and the cauſe wltly tried, Nay when did ever any Prieſt write ,and much leſſe commit rothe impreſſion ot a pamphletany one word again{t chem?The moſt part cuenof thoſe that 1aduffered molt, longelt, and greateſt difconſolation and wrongs pur vp

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of Religion and State. 5 at their hands , accounted that the touch of any Catholike Priclts good name wast.arpere pupillam cnt: [m1 : 1o dainty,nicegand preciſe a conicience had they”, to detract , defamme, or ſpeake euill of any man or woman, yea thoughthe reports weretrue, And varill all was in an vprore : all Prieſts (that {ided not with the Teſuits in allthings) were brought into obloquie, concermpt , and diſgrace : ail{hunned, auoided : and ſuch flanderous {pec- ches railed by the Icluits faction againltthem, as they knew not poilibly now to liue quiet, or to Jive(in truth ) at allby them. Vatill then{1 lay ) they winkt , kept ſilence andler paſſe alltheirletrers, libels and iniurious {lan- cers vnanlwered, They layd little ornothing to thoſe erronious ( and yet to the Ieſuits molt plautible ) bookes of choile of gholily tathers , They ler paile that erronious ſpeech in the Wardword to Sir Frarcis Haſtings watchword,; making Icfuirs Chriſt his equals ina way of ablurd compatt- ſon ; and infinuating Seminarie Prielts and ocher Catholikes to be bur the Churchesretule. | |

They triendly admoniſhed the Author of the 3 farewels ofthe ſoule{g1- ving tothe Ieſuits, that which no religious order would accept of,or durit defire) to ceaſe from publiſhing {ich groſſeerrours, which otherwiſe had gone tothe preſſe andprint (as cxtolling the Ieſuics chereinto the skies, a- boue all poſſible humane deſcrts, under the title of religious perſons, vi- [tinguiſhed thereby from meere ſecular Prieſts as they tearme the relt ) but neuer did they publiſh anything agaialt ir. CTY |

They ſuffered with patience that long lowd lye to pafle vnrecalled, © * whereinthe Cardinals,and by Cardinall {aicraze the Popes Holinefie was intormed , thatthe cauſe of lending to the Sea Apoſtolique to baue ſupe- riours appointed ouer the Engliſh Prieſts, was grounded pon great and dangerous contentions riſen yp betwixt the Serninary Pric{ts and the Ca-

tholike laity in that nation: knowing in their owne conſcience there was

no contention mouing thereunto,, but beewixtthe Seminarxe Pacits and thenſelues, and thoſe of their and the Span taCtion, | |

They ſought not to controule that ſeditious, falle, infamous bookeint:- tuled, Againſt the factions in the Church: applied directly by the Arch- prieſt to theſecular Prieſts, and thoſe that :ded with them on the Catho- like Church, and their native countrics bchalfe.

They labored not to call in quz{tion thoſeſtajned records, with all falſ- hood,impiety and arrogancy onthe Icluits behalfe , of the memorable acts done by their lociety (forſooth) here in Exglard. viz. how that they onely were perſecuted, and not the Seminary Prieſts : how ſuch and fuch ,and in generall, allthat oppoled themſclues againſt their proceedings had ſuffe- reddifpraceand ſhame, and came to miſerable ends,notwithſtanding (and they cannot deny it,neither are they ignorant thereof )rhat there be a whole browne dozen twice ouertold of glorious Martyrs, all Seminary Prieſts,all

detamedby them : allnoted for malecontents , as oppoſits to their procee-

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dinos: Theſe indignities, calmuniations,iniuries, lies and irreligeous yanities, with many” the like ynchriſtian practiſes did they let paſſe,and neither did, neither ever would haue ſet hand to paper to write of theſe contentions be= wixt them yntill their long filence , condemned them allas guiltic , and the Teſuits preuailedand did what they hiſt,by backbiting and writing moft opprobrioufly againſt them.

EARE 11H. ARFICLE. wv Hether the Semmarie Priefies oane any ſcanaale, or committed =

ſiane , or menrred any danger of falling mto [chiſme,b ') reſiſting the Archpreeſt, after the firſt fig ht or hea; mg of the Cardtnals letters : and now of Inte, race the generall adrmattance of himwpon ſight of the Popes Holmeſſe his Briofe , whether they mcurred the hke offence by writing Apologies 1m their awne defence < or was, 0r 15 it no ſm, ſcandale, nor offence at all in them fo to do?

THE ANSWERE.

T neither was, nor is any more fin, ſchiſme, ſcandale nor oftence in the one or the other, (they being in1uſtice,charitie,loyaltic and obedience, tor defence of Chrilts church and their countrie bound to both) then for a

guilcletle man condemned , to ſay, you do mie wrong : or for an appellant

againſt a knowneRebellin a&, word, or thought, (conuinced by demon-

ſtration, ve/z priors , vel 4 poſteriori, i, either of the cauſe or of the eftectro haue intent)to fay, thou art a traitor. For whoof common ſenſe would nor have benetouched with ſcruple, it but hearing ofa plaine fiwple man , vn- experienced either in the Churchor his countries aftaires: (as living priuate cuer ace he came Prieſt into England, and thereby vnacquainted how to manage a matter of ſuch importance.as hisauthoritic in ſhew extended yn- to,and that throughout a whole nation; nay throughout two mightie kings . domes: yea and ouer a gallant troupe of as graue lages , and as fine abreed_ ot wits, asthe world this day enjoyes ) to be aduanced vponthe ſuddento

anigher authoritie, then eucr was granted toany within this I{lc : without

all deſert (as no way eminent but obſcure, vnleſle it were for libelling a- cainft his brethren: } without all notice given, or knowledge taken of any tuch man, matter, or manner of proceeding /ynlcilc it were perchaunce :upgelted by one lole man, Mailter S:4nd;/ by name, a Icſuits broker, fa- ctor,and tollower:) without all markes, fignes, and tokens, of iudiciall,Cae nonicall, orhncere dealing: without all relation, infinuacion, or lealt ſhew of, and :o the intent of thote, to whom the eleHion one] v, abfolutely, and o! due right elonged: without all cognifance, hicrogliphie , or enfigne of Catho!ike mllirurion, chriſtianitic, or humanitie ( the whole fumme ofhis authoritic confitting in very decd of no material! point , but additionsof af- tietionto atiiction, in ordaining an ignorant man to be fl:ge!lum Dei oucr his brethren, ca/trgerdo > flagellinde hike blind Lovo:ts, that pierced our

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Sauiors ſide by others appointment, directing his hand to that tender terſa- cred and eucr blefſed heart, and yethe knew it not:)who, I tay, hearing of ſuch an extrauagant , irregulate , exorbitant, and abſurd authoritie, toty- ranniz.e oucr the alreadie tormented, and that by their ſugpeltion, Procure- ment, and toilting in pertorce: who had diſcouered themiclues a little be= tore toberhe rockes of {candale to Prieſthood,and ſhelues of finke-downe to all princely regaltie (as hereafter ſhall be proued, ayming at nolowe: marke then the highelt dignities on earth: }who wouldnot haue ſuſpected, refilted, yea and more readily, roughly, and roundly, then hitherto the ſe- cular Prieſts did; haue deciphered both the Teluitsand their Archprieli(tor how ſhould we call him ours, we hauing no part in him, vnleſle a ta{t and couch of his headie, indiſcreet, and euill packt-vp ſententious centures, by thcir delignements Hung our again(t vs) vponthe fir(t blalt of his auchority waftcdouer the {ea, andere cuct the. poore filly man had warmed himſelte in his vaine glorie bay, | | IE

Ai againe, alchoughthey knew his authoritie was gotten to be confir-, med {vtcang,)trom his Holinetle, by many falſe ſuggeſtions, ſhamcleſſe cogs, and itmpious forgeries:yer putting vp all matters,letting bypalts paſſe for bypalts, alwell for their inaruellous, audacious, and paſſing all cuer be- fore heard of, impudencie, inlolencie,and banded out boldnefle, inthreats, flaunders and exclamations, for not prelent acceptance of their new found out authoritice, ypon thebare fight ofthe Cardinalslertrers, cuen with as ful aftiance and repole put in them , asit Oracles had come downe fron hef- uen: as allo for the manifelt wrong offered to our brethren (two reuerend learned and auncient Seminaric Prielts Doctor Bop , and Mailter { har- 0che Barcheler in Diuinitie ) calt into priſon, dilſpoiled /or fitlier ſaid) molt cruelly, vnnaturally, and inhumanely robbed of all they had, that could by malice of man be taken from them; of purpole to [top their paſlage to his Holineſle, 2nd to terrifie all others, from euer daring to make towards the Mother citic to complaine of their tyrannie (though know they this , and it their faces will not bluſh, yer lettheir cares burne to heare it, that acceſſc and audience we will haue, maugre the diuels deceits, and thg {lie deuites, or it {hall colt vs all our liues, one after another) notwithſtanding all the premiſes, with afull halfefcore of reaſons beſides added by me in another place, to prouethat the Prielismight haue choſen, whether euertheywold have admitted of ſucha violent intruded authoritie or not: ) yet they m1 all humble, dutifull, and obedient wiſe, with filiall ſubraifion embracing the Zreae,trom his Holinefſe when it came ( which was roany monert:s. a'ter ) the firlt cooge of that dye , forthe calt at all our oucnthrowes, and verer | ſubuerſion of our countrey:) it thenand thereupon all libels had furceaſed (for yet wasnothing written againſtthem on our part: but either a ſad fi- lence, or a charitable intreatic to ceaſe of their cerraction)and their tampCee 111g in State affaireslicn dead : nay, if the ſecular Prictts could bur have li-

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ued quietly by cher,they would never haue ſet hand to paper againſt thern,

4s in che former article is declared, | | Bucthe forepalt injuries and (t1i] of treſhinculcated ignominies,catumnnia-

tions and Alaunders raiſed, vrged and laid on by them, being fo grieuous,

many and importable to fleſh and bloud without Gods ſpeciall grace ,as

caith would burlt, and clondes would breake, and {cas would roarc in cries

out againltthem, ifmen kept lence: our prelentage will , andall poſterity may account it to be one of the worlds wonders, that the Iefuits being men holden of all, (but efpecially in their owne ouer-weend conceit) to be {ance peres of the Chriſtian globe, for pregnancie of yit,pollicie in gouern- ment, and pietie in intention, how eucr they ſhould to tarre haue ouerſhot therlelues, that beſtridingthe horle, and hauing the bridle reines and all in their owne hand, to leade the Pric(ts andall other Catholikes which way they lift: they ſhould be throwne downe from their loftie mount,out of lad- | dle, ſeateandall, by caſting out libelsof ſchilme againſt ſounder Catho- likes, more learned Diuines and deuouter Prielts (it externall fignes were iudges) then any punic Father amongſt them, which will breed their bane erc all be ended, Butit was no doubt Gods 1ſt iudgements fo to haue it, thereby ro ſtirre vp the lecular and Seminarie Prieſts, to write Apologies in their juſt defence: yea and by occation therof to take in hand the defence of the Catholike church, and their natiue countrey, nay of all ecclefiaftical and temporal! States againſt them. And therefore to proue it was but a Se14r5 iactethey rode ypon (tor ſuch is the nature of ambition in greedy af. tectation of Sourraigntie, as itboth makes wiſe men tooles in their drun= | kenconceits, ang {irikes them dead with their owne weapon , but not eL- chz/les his launce to hurt and heale at a (iroke, as molt infortunate, when they thinke they are molt ſecure } it were exprely againſt the law of God, ot nature, and of man, for the Prielts not to breake oft fGilence, and ſend foorth Apologies, Pamphlets, and all kind of Quodlibets in defence of the prewiles: otherwiſe allrhe world would condemne them as guiltie , And theretore of neceſlitie ( honour, credit, fame and report, being as deare as te, anc he hgldentor worte then an infidell by diuine Oracle that is care- lefle ot his neighbours , much more of his owne good name) che ſecular Prielts were bound to do allthat they haue done, and no finne, ynlefle their to0too long filence, which ſer the Ieſuites on cockehorle at vnawares to crow {o falt over all, Surely were I a Ietuite and vrprieſted, I would ne- ucr abide one howerin their order tor teare of atrerclaps. Well, I will be no iabbe, nor do with to bethe Propher of theit deſtruction ; but fiat 1nitiria > ruant colt; they haue hadtheir time of defaming, diſgracing and accu- 10g, let them giue ys ours of defending, AE I11, ARTICLE. V } Hether 1s ut lawfullto ſet our the Ieſwits in their proper colours, to \ w/e ſatyricall and butmg words and writings 40ainf# them: and to acte£t

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Artet them of all ſuch vices as nay humble them , .and breed inpenples hearts 4 true conceit of them enen #4 they are, and none otherwiſe better or worſe. Or l(c fitter to conceale from the worlds eare,all ſuch thinss 25 Yet are not ag/come- ro! of them,and only to defend m mild anſwers,C>c?

THE ANSWERE.

LL Prieſts and others, that are not of that {editious Teſuiticall, and Spaniſh faCtion, are bound in charitie (as now the caſe {tands) to de=

cect them to the vttermoſ?, Firſt for a cauear tothe ignorant multitude)ſe- duced by them) hereafter to beware of them. Secondly, per /eger talzon:s, returning their malice, foule detraction,, detamation, calummarion, oblo- quic, and what not inuented by chem) againſtthe innocent, ypon theirown hicads, Thirdly, forthat the ſamelegiter, Whowillea the patient , if ſmartrer: 61 the one eave, to offer the other: did allo allow it as wſt and lawfull, that &1 what ſmne ſoeuer a man had ſmned, m the ſame he ſhould be puniſhed, and with like meaſure to his brother ginen , ut ſhould be remeaſured to him agarne, Fourthly , tor this cauſe it was, that our Saviour Chrilt himlelfe, al- though heacknowledgeth, that the Scribes and Phariſees fitting in /7o/es chaire, w<re in their doctrine to be obeyed (that is, fo lopg asthey remained viſible members of and in Gods church,they ought tobe obediently belee- ucdinall points of doctrine, concerning the Catholikefaith) yet tor their corrupt manners, lewdlite, and hypocrifie, with how many wes and woes to you Scribes and Phariſees did he come yponthem? How many hypo- crites, how many progenies and vipers broodes, and how many Sathans and begotten of the divell did he tearme them, yea and ſometimes alſo euen his owne beloued Apoſtles? And haue nor all the ſaintsand ſeruants of God vicd the like libertie of fpeech, when occaſion was giuen, and time was for it? Reade Saint Pay/es Epittle to his T1mmothe, to bis Cormthians, to his Ga- lathians,&c, Reade the Ecclehalticalihiltories of the words of Saint ſohn the Evangeliſt, of Saint Polrcarpe, of Saint Anthony , of Saint Chry/oftome, &c. yea reade but for proofe hereof ſundry of Fa, Par/ors letters, bookes, libels and pamphlets, rogether with ſundrie Satyricals of Mailter Blackwels {though lilly man, I verily thinke, he wrote ſomethings againſt his conſci- ence, at the inſtigation of thoſe ſeeing top of wits, willing preciſe Pyrha- gorilts the Teſuits.) In the which libels, pamphlets, and Satyres, (eeing you {hall find a manifeſt (but molt yulawtull ) Iibertie of ſpeech ro detractthe innocent: chen & fort:074, no reaſon but thoſe ſhould be diſcoucred in way of iuflice and common charitie , who hold an vniuſt charter of another mans good name, fameand lite, tearing it in peeces with their toungs eue- ry houre at their pleaſure: as though the fee ſimple of all mens acts, words and thoughts wereintheirgift,to raiſe and lerfall the price of allat their de- uotion, Fiftly, this diſcouery made by the ſecular clcargie, and Seminaric Prieſts of the Ieſuirserecherous abuſe of Synonamaes, Epitherons, phraſes

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and words {1gnihicant ( v2 co71194 9144 ſunt 11 voce notiontm anme ſint note: ſrmiliter © eorum que dicuntur,cc.)to expreſie what and wo they are in- deed /rogether with the like liberty of tpeech vied either of our Sauiour Chriſt orhis Apoſtles, orthe DoCtors of his Church, or other his ſcruants) doth difter from that whichthe Scribes and Phariſees did vſe againſt our Sauiour and his Apoſtles; and from that whichthe Icluits and Archprieſt do vie againlt the toreſayd ſecular Prieſts, in this: to wit: In that like, as common {trumpets, wi1o arc euer readiclt to call honeſt women whores fult , lealt they ſhould be preuented ( as knowing themſclues guilty : )fo tiole wicked Pharifces called our Sauiour Chriſt, and atcerwards his Apo- [tles, ſeditious, drunkards, companions of Publicans, Samaritans , South- {ayers,or Prophets in derifion : men that hail diuels about them , orthat ucale with tamiliars, that is, flat coniurers,&c , All which, with many the I1xc, as they were obiccted againlt our Sauiour and his Apoliles, onely tor that they were not followers of the fayd Scribes , Phariſees and Rabdics of the Iewes, not yecldedto liue vnderthein, and euen as they would haue them(for otherwiſe our Sauiour gaue himtelfe, and comman- ded histo giue them all honour that was due vnto them, ) nor brought all their words and actions to the touch, to be ratified and confirmed by them : euen ſothe leſtites and their Archprieſt do obieR the very like {cauſcleſle) againſt the Seminarie Prictis and ſecular Cleargy : only fimply and meerely forthis cauſe, & none other extant in the vniuerſall world, or 11 r-r14m natura tobe found, buttor not obeying them & their Archprieſts au- thority at 28 inch, nor {quaring all their actions to the others deſignments: norſubmitting themlelues and all other their acts, words,and thoughts to their cenlures, to be altered, repeated, indged of, andeurnedrthis way and that way, as the giddie humour of conceited excellenciein chemfelues doth pleaſe. Whereas on the contrarie ottr Sauiour and his Apoſtles then, and Prieſts now, had, and haue uſt cauſc tor clearing of themſelues { whichin ſuch caſes cannot be done, withour diſcouerie of their aduerſaries bad and naughtie dealing , malice, calummation , and ſlaunder vniuſtly raiſed by them) to giue them ſuch names, as their lewdneſſe hath deſerucd. And by conſequent, the Teſuits and their Archprielts bookes, writings and paſlio- nate paſſages offpeech againlt the ſecular Cleargie,are nothing elſe but in- tzmous libels,inuectiues, and impoltures: andall their whole ſpeechtending to detraction, as farced, ſtuffed and filled with infamies of venimous bj- tings: for which, fatisfation and reltitution will be demaunded, exated, and cxtorted from them,ſpite of theirteeths at the tribunallſeat of Almigh- tic God, their and our generall and jiult iudge , Andon the other fide, the ſecular and Seminary Prielts bookes, writings , and free deliuerings of their mind, in ſetting out the Ieſuites, &c, intheir proper colours, for their owne iult boundenandlawtull defence , can no way be called libels, but Apolo- gies,apcales,and defenſatiues: northeir words therein or otherwiſe _ de- traction

of Reli2108 and State. It traction at all / no more then our Sauiours 2nd his Saintes could in like

caſes )but a plaine detection ot their malice and miſchiefe: which is an a fo '

farre trom any cauſe of ſatisfattiontobe made, as nor to detect them,or nor to let the world (blinded by them) know who they are : were an a&t of in- tuſtice , a breachof charitie, as an occaſion by concealement , to ſuffer the ignorant toſleepe !till in errour and wrong conceit , when it liethin me or him,&c.and with al ſtandeth me vpon for tine owne diſcharge,tohaucin- forined them to the vetermoſt of the truth therein, =

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V Hether 1: ut lawfull, or elſe a matter of excommunication,or ſome great ſinne for Catholickes, ether of the ( learnie or Late to reade any 0 f theſe bookes of Appeales, Apologies detettions:or any other booke ſet out by any Cathaliche Prieſt or lay perſon, without the Archprieſts leaue, not trea- 1197 of maiters of Religion arreCtlly, but of matters of manners , gouernement, E&c.onely? |

THE ANSWERE.,

1 TJ T is no more / nor ſo much offence ) to reade any of theſc, then to

reade Greenecoate (alias Leiceſters common wealth)or Phi/opator,ot the booke of Succeſſion, or the Appendix to it , or the Ward-word to fir Francrs Haſtings watchword:al which are of F. Parſons doing,and knowne to be all or the molt part ofthem, molt ſeditious,ſlanderous, traitcrous and | intamouslibels : and therefore moſt dangerous to the Readers , confide- ring what matters they treate vpon. The like isthe booke of the Scribe, the the Epiltle to the Queenes Maicltie , thecloſc kept booke of Ceconomicall coucrnment:the late manuſcript of diſcoueric of ſecrets written, direCtly a- eain{t rwo great Counlellours, the one dead , and che other yet ale, | with ſundrie other ſecret libels, all madeby the Ieſuits faction , all full of plots, cxalperations , and conſpiracies againſt the Church and common- wealth,all more dangerous,(editious and tuller of matter,miniſtring occa- fcnoftexcommunication, fulpenſion, interdiction, &c, then any that cuer any ſecular Prieſt wrote, or intended at anytime : as neuer to this hower medling with, but continually diflwading fro all ſuch ſtariſtial affaires. And therefore as our obedient Catholicke and loyall courſe in thoſe Rate mar- ters may be vnto all a ſpeciall note of warrantie to reade any of the ſecular Pricltes bookes, containing nothing in them preiudiciall to any ( vnleſſe

- they count it, as ſimply and ignorantly , but {lily and maliciouſly they do,

that it is oftenſwe for the ſecularsto write in their jult defence, and by con- ſequent,then mult it needes be offcnſiue to readetheir bookes,or any way to wilh well ynto them, or for ynion and peace betwixt them and the fa« cyous Ieſuits that breede all this miſchicte:) ſo the ridiculous cenfuring of the treatiſes articulated, is a notable demonſtration of the Archprictis par-

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tialitie and fimplicitie tobe made ſuch a dotterell , as the Tefuits cannot chuſe but laugh in their flecuc , ro thinke how they can draw, wind and make him willngly to ſpeake,write or act, what they pleaſe with or againſt himſelfe,without all ſenſe, honelſtie, modeitic, conſcience, religion, vnder-

{ta nding orlearning. Inſomuch as it appeares by this, that his implicitie is ſo great, that he ({andsin ſuch awe of them, and {o much and wholy at

the Ieſuits deuotion to ſtand ortall ; that if they ſhould ſend vnto him,

or will him to ſ{ct out an edict, that all crowes vere white ,: he would commaund all ynder paine of excommunication to ſubſcribe yn- to it, For how is it poſiible otherwile thatin a caſe ſo manifeſt as this is, (cil; the Teſuits write directly infamous !1:bc!s, againſt both Catholicke Prielts, andagainlt the whole Common-wealth of their natiue land, and avain{tall in generall of both ltates ecclefialticail and temporall : and che Seculars write onely Apologics ina iuſt defence of all theſe, this being the calc on both (ides, how is it poſſible that a halfe witred man (valefle ouer- come with partialltauour or ive) ſnould erre ſo groſſely and palpably in the ſoht of all the world , as to ſulpend, excommunicate , &c. or at leaſt make it be giuen out ſo,or winke at the brokers of it,to haue it thoughtthat the Prielics bookes may not be read, and yetthe Ieſuits bookes may; nay, ſhallbe commendedynto both men and women ot purpoſe to be read, as

molt excellent, rareand learned matter,ſcil: or to bring their necks into the

halcer : well if God pardon maiſter B/ackwel/chis fault, there is good hope, he will pardon all his offences; yet is it 91ncr61{15, yea and Craſſa :gnorantia, in the higheſt depree of grolneſle, |

Secondly, Mailter Blackwels authoritie is onely (if he haue any,and not. loſt all by abuſe of it) in cauſes ecclefraiticall concerning Religion, &c, and thereforc let him looke to the caſe of premunire,for his accepting of an yn- heardof foueraigntie,contrarie tothe arder preſcribed by the ancient lawes of this kingdome,as{ome do hold,and for his intermedling in allowance of the Jeſuits hbels and ſtatizations , and not threaten the ſeculars in that wherein he hath nothing to do, |

Thirdly , if bis avthoritic extended ( asit is pretended ) roinhibite and forbid all kind of bookes, but {uci as he ſhould approue, allow and licence: yetin allreafonir hath this limiiration, viz: where he hiunſelfe is not a partie: orif not {o,yet in an ation of life and deathgof ſoule, bodie, honor or good name; he cannot forbid any whoſocuet to write or ſpeake in defence of a-. piethe [aid liues, and to cleare himſelte if he can:neither can he yer forbid or

' forwarne any onetoreade or heare any thing that may {ave the life of the

innocent, And therefore the moſtinhumane, vnchriſtian, vncatholicke, vn- juſtand yncharitable part thateuer was heard of,to {top or leefh to ſtop the Prieſts Apologies, written in defence oftheir good names, taken away by the Teſuits:an a ſo cruell , vnnaturall, and contrarie toall lawes divine or

humane , as the Popes Holinefſe cannot diſpenſe with any one,to fulfill ir, no

_ of Reltoionand State. -Y no more , then to diſpenſe with any one ro kill himtelfe, either bodily or pholtly,as the not writing ot thete Apologies,or the like, were(arleaſt)che {pirituall death ot ſuncrie reuercnd Pricks,

Fourthly,, it is but a meere canuas and cauill of the Icluits put intothe Archprielts, or {ome others of theit brokers heads, that vo 2bout the coun- tries, with witleſic ſcrolles of paperto make them belecue char ir is excom- munication , ora. great {inne to reade theſe bookes,and done onely of pur- pole,not of aniehigh policie, but of aſlie Machiuilian deuiſe of the Iciuits, ro keepe the ignorant {tillina blind conceit and opinion of their puritanian holinctle, whichtheſe bookes would auch dilcoucr, |

Fifcly,this is one diftercnce betwixt a matter of fa&t and a matter of faith, thatthe fir{t dependeth ypon reaſoning and diſcourle , and therefore is it called Scientia acqmſita, which by ſome apprehenſion may this day erre, & by ſome other to morroxw berightly informed againe:& the ſecondis inde- pendent vpon all humane kuowlege , asa meere gift of God infuſed into the ſoule, whereupon that knowledge we have in matters of faith, takes his name thereot to be called Sczentia wfnyſa, which being once inſerted inthe ioule of man by God alone,it may alterwards be helped(tor matters of diſ= courſc)by natural wit & reaſon, T hertore isit,thet wit & will being ſubiect both to error , the vnlearnedare 1ultly and verie neceliarily forbidden to troreade hercticall bookes ; leit wading aboue their heads , they be drow- ned incrror:burt in a matter of tact, depending wholy vpon humane'caules, experience and common knowledge,the calc 1s quite altered. For that ther- {neueric one isto labour, 2nd ſecketo be infiructed andto learne experi- ence , how in a lke cale thereafterhe is to deale : and therefore no ex- communication is due tor reading of theſe bookes, neither ought any to be debarred fromnotice taking ot them,

Ths VI ARFICLE: VR the Catholike laitte onght to medale in theſe contentions be=

rwixt the Prieſts &> the Ieſrits or not: and what their office 1s therun THE ANSWERE. - ſhim ought rocomment the cautc to God in their be(t deuorions, to

carrie a reuerend opinion of eucry Catholike annointed Prieſt, what part or faction ſoeuerhe be of, to with,teeke, and labour tor peace on both 11des, and to detame, contemne or condemne neither partie, as the ſediti= ous, tactious and miltaught children of the Ieſuits do molt religioutly, i= mitaring therein their ſpirituall fathers examples, For true itis, tuchlips,fuch lettuce: tuch meate, ſuch ſauce: and ſuch maiſters ſuch ſchollers inall de- erees, And if Father Sranxey a leluit Prieſt, called {of the Panigericks ) the lanterne of England, {becaulc forſooth he was in a chiefe place of honour} vpon occaſion of a crofle encounter giuen him by a Seminary Priclt, (who

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was then in a place of more auncientettimation and honour, and of a farre more noble deſcent on all fides, inan honorable aflemblie } durſt ſpeake ir openly that the ſecular Pricſts were iultly defamed [to wit, at what time as their Archprietts authoritic was in hammering, and that certaine Prieſts held out, and would not yceld to putto their helping hand, in working that orofle mettallto perfection: } and to laid this zealous father they ſhouldbe {t1l], varill they had {ubmirtcd themſelues rothe Archprielt their ſuperiour, It ove and he their chiefe / as being appointed the Provuinciall ofthe Teluits here in. England ) haueſcotted , iclted, and made a laughing ltocke, or [tale at, and of Prictts acts , Writings, manners and conueriation. andlike a per- emprorie companion taken vpon him to appoint ſome Seminarie or {ecu- lar Priefts, to teach young (chollers onely, as fit for nothing elſe in his ſcorn- ful conceit,othersto be but doCtors of clowts,per ſaltumrand therforc a dil- honor to learningto hauc tuchihallow wirs'& mean ichollers proceed, ce, otherstor want ot wit, learning, and yertuous life and behautour ,'to be yn-

xorchie the name of anic Prieſt, It another lurmized holy fatherof their ſo- cictic(in whoſe mouth a man would think butter couldnot melt )did make no ſ{cruple of ſo grotle a !ie(torto bring a Seminarie Prielt into contermpt, asto aftirme to a Ladie in Notingham ſhire, that he was aſhamed co hears pric{thood to diſgraced , as it was by that parties fimplicitie, at whom a certaine great Counſellour made a ielt of admiration,to ſce ſo lilly a tellow of no Ki ed nor praiſe-worthie part in him in rhe world,to be {fo much tal- kedof:ſayingina ſmile of contempr{incurning backe from him to his own man) is this the. ſtates man, &c, whereas it is weilknowne the partic neuer /pake with the {aid Counlellourin all nis lite.

It an other punie father durti nolefle audaciouily then officioully preſume (as 3 matter nothing belonging to him, nor he ot all other being by anic to whom it did belong 1ntreated : nor yet hauing anie authoritie fo todo ) to write a molt ridiculons cuill patched vp, ihamefull treatiſe of {chiſme : andthereia like a protound malter Dodtor { as a ſchoole deuine in deede he was, which ſtudie,being as it ſeemed aboue his capacitie, made his braines idle, his wits flie out, and his headlight ever after ) define, de- nounce, and ypon nis lunaticke authoritie declare allo be {chiſmatickes, that conſented not atthe firlt to the Archprielſt , and by conſequent , thar they were,no better then Erhnickes, Publicanes,&c. & to to be cenſured & iudged of. If yer another yong father of the ſociety plodding about theſame lubictt co bring al ſecular Prieſts, nay & prieſthood it ſelfin contept & dil- grace,could nor hold inthe w rathofhis _ but needs he mult (trike, and withall lend to his fellow his hatchet(ſo hotly was this holy ſocietie bent at that tine againlt al ſecular,& eſpecial ſeminary Prielts,;,magining they had

' had them all on the hippe,citherto haue throwne ouer boord at their plea»

ſure, or to haue thruſt downe vnder hatches, that they ſhould neuer haue

cecoueredtheir former {tand ) and theretore pnbliſhed 1 it as a molt horrible crime,

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crime,to maintain dogryati2.44-,that the foreſaid rehiſtance was not [chiſmne = in the Refiltens, & what a damnadle ſtate they ſtood in, that miniftred any \acrament in that caſe without {ufticient contrition, cotellion & (atisfation made at the diſcretion of their gholtly Father : ro whom allo he giues a ca- ucat to beware how he receiue anie ſuch ynto him : ſee how ſawcie theſe malapart Ieſuits become, where they once get but neuerſo litle aduantage.

If the Archprielt( not to be behind with his part, leſt he ſhould be thought witlefle , or too fauourable) contirmedall thele things concerning {chilme, and the contempts of the Seminarie Prieſts ro be iulily inflicted. It he durlt commaund none to liſten aftcr,and others otthem madea ſcotfe and a icalt at the judiciall ſentence of the Vniuerlitic of Parzs {one of the molt famous- and chiefe of the world , and ſo was alwaies accoun- ted of, {aue only by this ſeditious faction, that deſpiſe all men, manners,yer- . tue, learning, wit, gouernment, &c, bur their owne. ) It he haue afhirmedir and practited it, thatlay men might and ſhould be put in office to ſummon Prielts, and to talke,checke, control, and cenſure of them at their pleaſure, Ifraylors and coblers, vaſlals and ſeruants , with all ſorts of lay brothers of the Ieſuites haue preſumed to go before fecular Prieſts (a place vnfitting for any Ieſuite Prieſt himſelfe to rake vpon him. }

It athouſand ſuch like contempts of Seminaric and ſecular Prieſts by Jeſuits themſclues haue bene managed in ſecret, allowed of by conniuence openly , and cunningly putin practiſe euery where, though the authors of {uch irreligeous contemptof Prieſthood, and grofle errours tending to a molt bla/pemous hereſie ( as hereafter ſhall be proucd ) dare neuer in pre- lence of any Seminary ſecular or Eccleſiaſticall perſon auouch it : Andi this be one chiefe principle of 17achine//(andin very deed of Arheiſme)to leaue no [tone of honour or contempt vnremoued, that may either by ſup- ply of place, hinder the platforme ( as the honour of Prieſthood , doth the vſurpate pretend of Icſuiticall eſtceme ) or by bringing the aducrle party {without whole fall the other cannot poſſibly rife ro the dignitie they al- pire vnto ) into obloquie , contempt and diſgrace, cauſe a remoue, aliena- tion,and change of opinion from the tormer, wonted and generally accu- ttomed concen had ofthem.As here in the caſe propoſed : who cuer heard or made any queſtion of it, but thar a ſecular Prieft was to be preferred be- fore a (monalticall perſon, and molt of all betore a Ieſuite*( as hereafter {hall be ſhewed?) Or who buc an eArrian, Sabelramſt, AMontaniſt Pri/cillanif, Puritane or other abſurd heretike , did cuer go about as the Ieſuits do, to ſupplant, incroch ypon, or ſceke to overthrow

the Eccleſiaſticall : dignity and ſecular fate, by way of diſdaintull and malitious compariſon ? They tittle tattle amongſt women, and lull babies a ſleepe with a blacke SanKus in a whuzſh of a whiſpering fooliſh noyſe, amonglt boyesand girles : who makeit abooke of common places tor ordinary diſcoutlers , atall aſſemblies, in all companies, and with a ia-

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=» © _ _ geancountenance , asaForsin the Pageant ofa play ypon theſe matters : ” Jo comeour with a Prologue, for the aduancement ofthe Icfuits in this | manner,v42..0 rare and admirable perſons : the wonders of the world: glory of | | theſe, renowne of former, fame of future dayes : the moſt learned, the moſt pru- ; | Aent, the moſt rrane, the mo} polutthe, the mot worthy : the moſt renowned : ma the moſt orderly, diſcrete, and of bes? ponuernement , for education, example of 1 0 hfe and inſtruction: the moit yortrions, holy, ſamttly;angelicall; the moſt de- _ . wont, the moſt perfett, the moſt rel:13co:45 , the moſt what not of worthy re= by gardopreckning : all fuperlariucs : ail Analagats - all Meraphititians : all ( 8 pray God not emracgtranſcondeirtytytor then they put vs to our trumpes,how or where to find or placethem: } right Alchurailts, that is. /arce peeres 3 all things are the fathers of [ he ſoc et Y, Or fathers onel y. For it 15 1nou oh torake knowne ( forlooth) he z5 2 Teſ2i1t : ergo ſilence: ergo yeeld, ergo ſtoope tn hes reſence, 5c. And then mult come forth ſundry famous aCts, of this and that Jeſuit, for therr learned bookes, their pro found actrine, their rholeſome conn- fell, their good examples ginen: encn their very lookes , reſture and connerſa- tion, bemg able towm any creature : they are ſo full of meekreſſe, modeſty, gra- u;ty, humility, paticuce : aud of ſo go0d nay rare, gonernement, behamony and circum{bettion tm all their afltos : as who bur they to be worthipped and adored. Butnow on the other (1de, whenthey come to play the flirts and paraſits with the ſecular Pricſts,then imagine that you ſee {o many puppets dancing the anticke, with ſundry ptiſhes, face-makings, ſhaking of their heads,and diuerſe verie dildainfull cxclamations as ah hah hah:a Semmary, ar old Dneene Mary Prieſt, a ſecular, ah ah ah ah : alas poore men : you ſhall ſee them allleape at a cruſt cre xt be long © ( Indeede (o ſayd that holy father Tohn Gerrard of late rothe aboue named Lady in Notinghamthire,) They prenaile againſt the fathers? they fit to manage a maiter for peace , commence or any relaxation of perſecution ? They able to mage, or of [aſfcrency to write hookes{ as ſome of them hane here and im Scotland , againſt that moſt learned booke”, by Cardinall Alanes cenſure of ſucceſſion to the Engliſh ( rowne, that c1167 was written in azy age? ) They preſume to write libels againſt thoſe rene- end fathers as Bluet,as Mulh,zs Colington,as Charnocke axd others hawe: brit ſo meanely, as Twil! take a boy of 2 Grammer ſchoole ( ſayd one R.C. aſpe- ciall broker of the Teſrirs ) ſha!lmrite a/well and more learnedly, and that more to the parpoſe then they hams ? They take vP9u them to Tontere athers, ha-- 71130 nt ither wit, learning, clgior, noneraement, nor ay thing worth the n4- mug mm them. For what are their Dottors,as Gifford, as Ely , as Bagſhaw, as Biihop and others ? A company of Dottars iaced, ſcant able to ſay boto a gooſe . much leſſe to deal* with Princes, or to be COUEernoners . They and their Pariſian Sorbonists conntenance ont the fathers : whom the chicfe Prences in Chriſtendome do admire, feare and reverence? No no.tt 75 well inough knowae what the Sorboniits are : that the Vnnerſae ef Paris 1s frye to ecke for any watter of learning « that a Pariſian Dottor is no body , where a ſchoaleman

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of the ſociety comes in place : that the French ( learoy ts like the French relt gr011, ſince the fathers were expeld from amongſt thers : 19 wit , both looſe,both F [candulous, both cold im all religions athions and piety: that the J nmerſity of Paris :s #ot now eſteemed of any where, as of no account : arallo none other are this ary, but where the fathers line and teach. Foro farda letuied tellow to a Lancaſhire Gentleman of.late, making a iealt at the cenſure of Paxzs con- cerning {chitme, vſing theſe orthe like words : hat (quoth he) do the fa- thers care for the Vnmerſity of Patis, or allthe French Clearotes opunon, being men of n0 1agemet nor learning nor rechning en the reſt of the C hriſtia world:

lt thele, 11ay, and many ſuchlike ſcotfes and taunts , together with al the premiles, haue bene vied and practiſed in contempr of Priclthood, and cipecially of the tecular Prieltes , by their tollowers, fautors and fa- ction, being prompred , exhorted, and ihroughly inſtructed, how to {er abrochthis Machiuilean deuice forthe Icluits and their {editious , fa- ctious, and irregligious (cay I might have ſaid facrilegious ) plattorme : no maruell then, though ignorant multitudes of the Catholike laitie vie their roungs more liberally again(t Priel is, then either Carholike tnodeltie, ciuill humanitie , or ratura!l inclination to thanktulnefle in a true Englith heart, can either imagine they would, or like, or allow of inthem, No maruell, though they haue not bene afraid to detract, rewile,yeato lay violent hands with offersto Qrike, or runne with drawne twords at Prieſts /tecing it bath paſtas a principle from the Icfuiticall faction, that it is no offence to deliver vp alecularPricſt as an aduerfarie to their ſeditious defignments (iuſtpuri- tane like)intothe handsot his ortheir enemies, &c, No maruell,though here a Lady eA. (otherwiſe truely religious and honorable ) there a Miſtreſle , e,).a leeming faintly vorarie: and cuery where a whipping Miſtreſſe H. («hotetoung goeth like the clacke of a Mill)ſo very vawomanly,much more ſo vrcathohk-like do taunt, gibe. and deſpiſe the ſecular prieſts:being like antel1gnanes of fomehorrible moniter to be brought toorth very ſhort- ly atter: all Arch-herctickes almott hauing, erethey fell our of Gods church alwaics acquainted theinfelues with tome talkatiue womeleduced by pre- tence oftheir holinc{lc,to be the brochers oftheir poylon and imilchiete.No maruel! though ſome ignorant Pricits (tor thovghthe power ot prieſthood | Y | be 21] one tor the 1acraments ina ftmple illiterate, or bad luing maninthe ,,,,,,.,.-..; Catholike church, alwell as inthe wiiclt,moft learned and religious; yet for Ze/*5 /auior; in{iruction of others in matters not onely of faith, but alſo of manners and pay __ fact, wherein judgement, learning, and experience is required: though ma- : ny Prieſts(asin the caſe propoſed) may be feduced aiwell as the laitie, ro tollow the Icluitsperlwaſible applauſe, either of fimplicitie or indiſcretion, or of meere want and necefſitic, not knowing how to live yncer a Iefuites trowne, orelſe of an idle rolling ſtony veine of ambition, and defireto be counted ſome body,like bim that fet the Romane Capitoll on fire )do labor with tooth and naile to withdrawall Catholikes from theit wonted rene- rend conceit of all {ecular,and eſpecially Seminarie Pricfts:and their due 0+ | | C

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78 | Aodlibets bedience co their ſpirituall fathers / aright tricke of allhererickes, attheir flight or intent todeuidce theſeluesby tall out of Gods church) & therupon diilvade the ignorant deuour foules, that faine would do well, trom com- ning at any ot the fachious(torſooth } or ſeditious{tor ſo i all chingstaking the aduantage,to ſecond a right ſtrumpetincrying whoreſon firit,they play ypon the {eculars, with thele and the like odious names,iultly returned ypo their irreligious harrs full of all gaul, guile and deceit:) pretending it to be a molt horrible (11neto come ar,or receiue any ſacraments at their hands. Lo what milchieuous yncharitable and crucll harted men, theſe Ieſuits & their faction are: dare they, (think you)auouch this doctrine againſt the apeſlans hangiag their appeale?No they wil be burnt at a {take for heretickes,it euct they come in any Catholike countrie & do fo, No marucllthough {by thele and che like impious courſes, plotted betorchand to place iuch tor making of collections for the atilicted,as they know how to draw with gitts, gaines, and taire promites to ſweare what they would haue them: chey hauctaken away all relecte, yea all good, Catholike and bounden dutitull conceit of iuch lecular Priclts as they {ce daily tuftcr perſecution for Gods ſake: tome being conlirained hereby to fell their very clothes off their backs, their Bre- uiaries and other Seruice books,and whatſoeuer they haue betides: others forcedtotakevnleemely and vnhit ofhces in hand, for caſting how toliue:& others {now that all catholike charitie is almoſt quite extinct,& reliet flatly deniedto ſuch as (idenot withrthe popular faftion of theſe infolentirreli- gious men /deingehertby cither taken as deſtitute of allplace of relying vne - to: or elſe (which would make any hart but a Teſuirs,tremble to thivke on) pined away through griete of mind and want of tood. No maruc!] it all theſe and whatnot other miſchiets be meditated gay and night by the Teluits fa- ction agaialt the ſeculars: (tor it {tands them vpon,or el{c they want wit to equall Machiauelland their Atheall plots ofperdition withall) to work the ruine ofthe Seminary Pric(tsto the vttermolt,hauing committed ſo many exccrable, curſed andneuerheardof more cruell and facrilegious aQts alrea- dy again{t chem;asif they be not victors ouerrhem,by ſecret murders,or 0- pen iwaſlacres,thele ſame ecular Priefts wilt be their bane, genre, and tarall failtoreuer, outof all Zr:tancs blifſe, and preſent glorie they now make vaunt of and entoy, THE VII ARFICLE. V [ Hether the caſe ſtanding {0 by the Teſwits plots and acmuſes, for defut Y ming of Prieſts,debarrms them of a maintenance v/ing all crueltie, > breeatag of ſcruples m morons tender canſciences,euher of groſſe tgnorace or wilfully blund affettio, wſormnch that thorh they knew they were damned for it (ax ſome of them hawe ſar4no leſſe tn effect yet would they for obedience ſake to a flat all of Idolatrie ) do whatſoener they ſhould will or command them to 49? Whether then the Teſmits and their fattion being thies deſperatly bent, aud -o bope nor paſſiouuie un the world to reclaime them, mreanrdof the premiſes, wn:ul! God almightte ſIrike them,as to whom ut pettaineth to take vengeance of /0 1mpioits a broeae, as ener therto he hath ua defence of ihe 1nnocent : were | er

of Religion and State. : 79 it apreatey aft of wftice, tharitte, pretie, and woi thy of higher commendation 1m the Semmmarie Prieſts to let all lye aead.ro ſuffer the Teſts to rule and hare therr wil! 1m all things: and for them { { meane the ſec#lars ) us }itherto , fo (tel ') Continue in their inuocencie , ſuffering with patience thety nood romes te be tornc 1m peecer,& ſo low humbied,as ehey may allwiti one voice( which Anvredt many of them may aireadte) ſy 4 arouch it : propterte mortificamurtora die:tznquam purgamenta huus mundi,tact fumus omniun peripſema &c, or elſe ro proſecute the appeale , and to ſct oxt moe bookes ſhi! one pon another, 45 occaſion ſhall be offered for rr#e declaration of the caſe.and refelling of the r aſſertions,obrections or anſwers, by freſh reWOYHAers : 1 beiag queſtionleſſe true, that notruth but may be denied,and bewis reconfirmed,yet demed againe; ſo Der circulum zt may,ard very like it will go,ontull b:s Holweſſe haue inaxc ally > ex Cathedra decrded t.Otherwiſe the ſaymg 15 not more old then true:that Plus poreſt vnus afinus negaregzhex tota ichola Ariltorehis affirmare, And 6 wwhout doubt the Teſwirs will deny aft. herefore what ts beſt to be done herein? THE ANSWERK | T© Olcaucoftnow and let alllye dead,or as betore it was,were an aft of niuſtice,vnlawtull, yncharitable, and preiudiciall to the whole church of God. Furſt, for that prieſthood it ſelte is called in queſtion : /c:/,whether a lef. cobleror ſchoolemailter,being bur alay brother, and no Prieſt, ought totake place and go before a {ecular Prielt or no.Secondly, the [tate eccle- faſticall and ſecular cleargie,is here examined: /c:/. whether che addition of this word Ieſuir,to one that is alreadie a Prieft,do intitle him in place of re- vard or cficeme to be had of him aboue a Seminarie or lecular Prieſt,or no, Thirdly,the authoritie of the See Apoltolikeis here made doubt of:/c4,whe- ther the Prieſts might lawfully appeale from this mock-powerable,audaci- ous,blind authority of the Tel, Archprieſtorno.Fourthly,the inextinguible, incxpugnable,& indeliblevertue of the ſacraments of Chritts church is here weakned and mace {cruple off /cz/. whetherit be of equallforce and yalidity in a ſecular Priclt as ina Tefuir,&c. Filtly, the temporall ſtate and common- wealth of this land,cſpecially all Catholike fubiccts vnder her Maicfty , are indangered by running ofthe Ictuits fatall courſe, as hereafter (hall be pro- ued, Sixtly,the innocent aitie of the ſ1ypler,but well meaning harts,are al- ready ſeduced by the Ieluirs tactio , & moe will be (nay veterly overthrown | avdled away in errour, alwell againſt the Catholike church, as theirnatiue countrie and common wealth)it the ſecularslet the play tall, and now ſleep in lence. Seuenthly,the life, maners, good name, & all that isin prieſthood, in religion, in conicienceto be reſpected , ſtands now vpen ro be tried be- twixt the Ieſuits and the ſeculars, Therefore I ſay that for thele 3nd many other waighty reaſons,they ought in bounden dutie to proſecute,ſo Jauda- ble,nemorable,and ſpiritually heroicallan att begun,to the vttermoſi;and nothing to doubt ofaiders throughout all parts of Chriftendomro affift the, tothe puliing downe of theſe ſeditious Templarian Ieluiicall ſecaries, es 5 IR

20 THE V1IIL- ARTICLE. V Hether then,ts not the former charity,zcale © ferttor of Catholikes

on all ſiaes much hinay ed by theſe wnſanorie contertions or noſhow it roms? and whet her the lube hane ener bene before amono5t Catholike Prieſts? THE ANSWERE.

[i{t, whoſocuer was Catholike a 29. ycares, or but 16. yeares agone (4-

bour which time there was a muttering of this Allobrogical gouernet

of Fa.Veſtons,my lelte being one (though M1M1Hs Gatram meorum) of 22,

Seminarie Prieſts, and ſo many moe ot the Catholike laitie, of honorable, worlhiptull,and meaner cailing, all pritoners together in the 1Marſp alſeas )

he ſhouldchere haue ſecne 10 palpable a difterence berwixt the looſe Ca»

tholikes that were then, & rhe {iricte(t that are now: as the tirft might haue

b2ne patterns of pictie to the ſecond, for all religious, charitable and Catho»

like actions, Secondly no queſtion there is init, but that the like contentios '

hauc bene in Gods church heretofore,and will be to the worlds end:other- wiſe could not the church Catholike be called militant here on carth: nor be fitly coparedto a ſhip roſſed ypon the ſea'one while in danger of hnking, another while of iplitting,and then again of running vpon ſome rock or on ground,aud (till interchangeably flecting berwixt (tormes and calmes :; nor yet parabolized with a net calt into the ſea, gathering & containing init all kinds of fith and trie: or with new ſowne ſeed, which growing vp, is inter- mixed with weeds, Thirdly, although it be rather to be accounted of, as a

- miracle, that all this while there hath not, then to hold it as a {candale, that

now there hath fallen out ſuch c6rtentions amongſt Gods ſeruants & Priefts, ſecing that in heaven and rhar in a ſecond inſtant of time,or third of ange- licall exiſtence) there was high ambition: inparadiſe/and that as ſome lJear- ned Diuines do hold, within 3, houres ſpace) there was too much curioſitic: inthe Apoltles {choole {and that within 3. yeres ſpace)there was too deep emulation , contention, auarice and trealon wrought againſtthe fupreame Maicltie, What ſhould ſay more : it in the Catholike Roman church and -Apoliolicall chaire of Peter , therchaue bene already 23. ſchiſmes pali; al- thoughthen no wonder to heare & {ce the like contentions to theſe of ours: yet thatthe firſt brochers of any {uch, went away (cotfree , it was neuer yet heard of, without a curſe;as Lc:ifer,as the (crpent, as "ag or el{c thatthey were che beginnersof !lomenew here(icor other inthe end : as Nicholas,as Ariuus,as Donatits,as Nouat;ts (all as rare men,as oreat ſhew of zeale inthe,

_ as Catholikly bent,and as many deuout. graue, and learned men to fide with

them at the firſt as either Fa. Par/ozs or Maiſt, Blackwel hath,)Fourthly,it is cleare that the Tefuits contempr of priefthood, and irrehgious doQtrine was and isthe original! cauſe betore God and man, of the decay of charitie,piety and deuotion, Andtheretore wo to the firſt brochers ofcheſe miſchicles; Sed nunqud in eternum iraſcetur Deus: no, God forbid.

EHE -::1 X. ARTICLE.

V 4 then all reli igi01s <cale being turned into temporized plat= formes,

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former, to caſt omnia pro tempore, nihil pro veritate, a! Chriſtiar charitte connterferted, allumſtice violated, all pretie decayed and gore, and that ſpirit of hunalitis,1mcencie and ſimplicttie of heart which earſt was m the late Prinntnes of Engliſh ( atholthes bens loſt, expelled, and almoſt quite extin(t amongt vs . Is ut not the cauſe of withholdmg others, that wanld come mte Gods church: or is it no let at all: and if it be, then Ly whoſe meanes ? THE ANSWERE. 2 T 3 queſtionlefle the hinderance to forme, and rock of ſcandals to many, that otherwiſe wold be members viſibly ofthe Cacholike church milicac on earth {though not oneſoule is , nor can be kept out thereby, that is of God cholen (though to vsynknowne to beofthe {ame church triumphant /nexccl/;;:) and all this by the lie deuiſesand Machiuilean prachies of the . Icſuits, as is manifelt. Firlt, for that ſundric Schiſmatickes and well willers cothe Catholike church and religion, Randing out hitherto ypon worldly | reſpects {as being more prudentin their mundane muddy generations, faid uc Sauiour, then the children of light)and feares of loſſes, troubles,and the like, are now brought intoa fooles paradiſe of conceit;that they arc in a bet- ter (tate, or at leaſt more ſecure forthe time, then thoſe that are alreadie ca- tholike Recuſants, by reaſon of theſe daungerous contentions they heare of, to be betwixt the ſecularcleargie, and this (ſhould be Monaſticall)now mock-religious ? whillt the Catholike laitie following the parts ot this and that faction , contend with ( Fg0 ſzeme Part , ego Apollo) tor a ſupremacie, And thus thinke worldlingsto 1aue a good excule to holdqut, and lo beof x®ther (ide, but be as neuters orimperſonals i 7erra, Secondly, amonglt many Acheall Paradoxes taught in the Ieſuirs conclaue, or clole conuentt- cles: I remember an honorable perſon, and Lord of high degree, once ob» 1: was a flara- icing vnto me, that the Seminary Prieſts were too {crupulous, nice, and !9**! 40cune,

ſecretly taughr in

preciſein {tate caſes of conſcience: ſaid, that hercin the Ieſliits tooke a farre Scotland, where | . 4 - p : . _ theſe three things better, and more polliticke courſe; inthat they ſought by diſputation, ſer- 4c 1ree thin

ting out of bookes, and other private conferences , to make asmany clole care feth _ > | . , - a ; E | company Occaty* Catholikes (whichyou, quoth he, call {chilmatickes) as they can : and yet © 205- 1? - 07a

10t bring any of theſe into the Church, vnleſſc here one, and there one, as kind of bookes |

may leeme in pollicie conuenient, for keeping a memorie of Catholike ces ,\, omen

remonies, and vicof ſacraments and facrifice. To the ſaine eftcct were the in the forenoone,

: I. _— . - # | 4 | . } and 0A Puricans

xords ot their great Polipragmon Fa. Parſons, who audaciouſly durſt pre- jc, ain the at-

jumeto afhrme, that it Rood-not with pollicie, to haue libertice of conſci- ££1500ne, All 3, # wy 4g . ; "—_ acts indiſpenſa-

ence graunted: neither did he wiſhit, chat perſecution ſhould cealein En- tj. g:4.6 _

ol2nd in attlicting of Catholikes: which paſſages of ſpeech drawne into one ag

C » 0 ; - | | : | Gting perſons,

propolition,ſetting Atheiſme tor a meds termi berwixt that honorable «ye and place,

Lords opinion, and this diſgracetull Ieſuits cenſure ; all Engliſh hearts may

conceijue intheſe words, foure points of importance : one, that the Icluites

make religion a matter of State and pollicie, to draw people ynto chem by

plaulible hypocrifieand ſhew of zeale: not a matter of conſcience to direct

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them aright: another, that they care not how wany ſoules periſh, ſo they may winne their hearts and affections vnto them for the time pretentg either | by admirivgthem for rare prudence, learning and SOUCINMENT, OT adoring them for pecrelelle pietic,pertection and hohneſle : a rhird , that in Nead of meckenefle, mercie and cornpathion, which of all other ought to ſhine cur molt clearely in a reltgious heart, theſe men have put on a licrne, harſh and cruel! hardneflc, void of all pittie, mildnefle, or re:norſe({aue onely Cateo- linian carrying their countenancein their hands, to fob and ſmile in atrice) and fo care not what muſcric , zft|ction or perſecution fall vpon poore d'- {trefied Carholikes in thgle heauie times of our common ſadneſle t- whileſt they line ſecure who are the chicte workers of our oencraliinceſſant cala- miries, by cheir figure-flingings, plot-caltings, and libellings againſt their natiue countric,and prelevr tate of Enghth goucrament in other countries, And rhe fourth and laſt is, their miſchicuous, bloudie, and ynnaturall practi- cs: in that ir is apparent, that the onely cauſe why they wiſh perſecution of their poore afthcted conntry-men,and brethrento continue, and no relaxa- tion, leaue, or hibertie to be graunted them, is of purpoſe to make our So- ueraigne, her honorab!e Councell and Peeres of the preſent State, ſeeme more od10us, tyrannical', and hatetull to all Chrittian nations: and thereu- pon to publiſh I:bels and other ſedirious pamphlets of conſpiracies for con« ucſts and invaſions. And this is that good, reuerend, religious elteeme, which the Iefuirs brokers ſhould indeed haue cried with an © yes incuery {trect court and corner, that they have merited of the Catoliſc church & Eolands commanwealth, fhnceiheir full comming intothisland, Thirdly, I imight adde, as of all other articles, to of this many ſundry cauſes, reaſons, and prootes ofthe Tefuits 1wpictic: but T muſt infringe my ſpeech perforce, to ilpatchother matters: one:y this: whoſoeuer knowesthe Teſuits praGti= les (as none living knowes them all , andfew butknow too few ofthern) may cally coniecture,that where any oftheir faCtion may be heard ſpeake 3nd be belecued, there muit needs be a ltop,liay, and hinderance of that foules conuertion , Forthcy that hauc the art ro inchaunt the already con- erred, to make themretule the benefite of the ſacraments (to the endaun- oeting oftheit ſoutes)rarher thento come at any Seminary or ſecular Prieſt that is not 2 current of rheir Camnadle doctrine : thinke you they haue not the ſameskill »f figure-flinging, to wichdraw al! choſe that want the ſerpcts wit to auvid their charmes, from comming at any ſuch as are oppolite a» Saint them? Nv: queſtionlet] : they wantneither art nor cuill will, nor yet malicious meanes to effect it,as hauing vſedfromthe beginning more Ma- chiuilean demſes, & Atheall practiſes in ſecret conference by their inferior Agents, with Schiſmaticks,vea and with our common aduerſaries.thenwith Cathohks:& they that can celude any one Catholik,put him or ker in tcare, and ro haue a fcruple of conlcience to receiue any Catholike Prieſt that is not of their faction,or at lealt not a%2inli them: it is wonder if all Schiſma-

" tickes

of” Religion and Stu! i 2 tickes be not ouettakenand wille-led in concert by tem,

| AE | ASEICELE. | Hether then,the caſe ſfandian ſo,as ma! thiſe gprecedicr Luadltb. my V articles it appeares moſt plame , that the leſuts hane roafed much ; ſcedition, wret:ght great miſe hefe, accalionated [andre affiiftions of all Catho- libe Reci:ſants: and moſt meghily and aatngeron| y e:1:9/ed the Churches clo-

- C : =p | ; Fn rie.) Is it like that theſe contentions (the premiſes conſidered | will be any way ber fi r14ll to Cathol:ihes and the wheols Cliiurih of God.or elle hurtfull?Gc.

© » tt } y 41 At; 4 | THE JANSWERE. CI the | 1 Lrhough for the time .£may ſeeme hurctull , yer queſtionlefie when eareme watice

( l Tx ps -1 . i miſchicucus theic matyqucd, rel:go0us Iciuits arc Once made know ftuc, hat and oe dos te : ;

who they are, there can no hare come thereot: but on the Contraric, tO ſus, inthe tor- ID eucry one it will be yery beneticiall in the end, and as great a comfort to mer |

all cruc Catholike harts, as nov it is 2 griete, Firlt,for thac it was never yet and þ, roomy

{cene, butthat preſentiy VPO {uch deadly COtentions,riei amonglt Gods a By . ke g

(cruants and Prielts , there appearcc tome blazing tiarre, comer, orlight #rcaiter roma | otarare brigntſhine oftne Churches wontea glorie, So was it in the c0- lied eo rEmem- | tention amonglt the Apoltites, when they {frouc LOgcthcr tor a {uprema- or TEA = cie, euen in our Sauiour Chriſt his preſence , So was 1t inthe time of the were ro beleeve,

| Wo | hat fuck and : Arrian herecſte, when the whole Church and chicte prelates {cemed to be (1 pron ee

at daggers drawing, with infamous libels put yp by Byhops againft Bi- fulpeled,ox- lops,Pricſts again(t Prieſts,& ligious againl(t another, before that (2 punieares, {}ops,Pricſts again(t Prietts,& one religious again(t another, betore that g...44 that none

pious Emperor of all worthie memorie, Cor72n:1ne the great: and fo hath might come ar , them,and onely

NC? ir cucr bene,& no doubt but nov ſo it will be, God lweetiy to dilpoling, ypoy the bare Secondly, of all Axiomes in Philoſophie, this is holden for one ofthe aan 6 hag, rruett, molt GE rtainc, and infallible rule, that nulluym 1inlentiinga eff Prpetmu- Sion. Wheruvon N 7m, VVherupon Chriſtian Philoſopbers haiic detined,thatthough there P*Fumgrhar

. : Ws k- | KwisSipoken of were no Scripture,nor Catholike church authoritic to confirme t:yct by mecte malice, 8

- «4 nd : . ' O74) { it. this phiſical pofition of cauſes,it is not polhbie bur the world hold make wal > ” an end,and aſtay made of the planets courle and heauens motion,by rea- hypyrires, theſe = b ; e R . . . . tnutare now de. ſon that 72mm mobile, in a tergiucrſed violence of oppolite race tothe jet be iber,

-C{t, 115 a courſe againſt the hatre And of like ſort by an argument of in- wary readic 9 | | \ . 2 + - CAUQURECIT OWne

Union, vel tb comple, vil 4 comparatione, itmult needs folloiy, that it is nailes for anger, - imple for the Telmitsto hold out long, running a moſt violent courle = they fiowld

l OY ; KR : 1 haue bene ſocre» 11 0ppoſtion againſt the whole Church of God, 2nd all the 3, cltates ec- dulous,and vn.

- pe = , | : . nd inte! "IP ; clehafticall, remporall,and Monaſticall: as wil appeare at large by indu- _ rv. | | &ion of particulars of their icditious and wrangling diipcl1tton,taftion, (iſe reporrs a.

ES - : ; | I - : 5 vant their de ac | and oppoſition againſt Popes, Cardinals, Biſhops,an other prelates and 3; Sr0-ruay |

prieſts in the ſtate ecclehialticall : againſt Kings, Princes, Pecres,Nobles, fpirituall farhers, = Gentles,and all forts of cull Magiltrates in the State temporall; againſt fy + i in CarGs regular, Monks, Friers,& 2ll otherreligious orders inthe ſtate Mo- thzit bloug on

naſtical that haue any liuclyhoo%, which they want:for as a Caponchine hed _

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once aid. his order lived quieteſt of any other with the Ieſuirs, becauſethe leſics would willingly haue all, and the Coioce would w llingly haue nothing, but euen to Keepe "IE 5 and lite together, I hicdly , when our Sa- our Chrifl impoled a necefinie to the coming herefies: he meant nNOL onely tothe end that hypocrites might thereby be deciphered, and lewde ſeducers of others made knowne to the world (for ke knew them full well o i org beforehand, ) but withail that thereby his ipouſe might ap- PCAare More ___ ull, ſweet, amiable and glorious. For ſecing none. can be go properly an hereticke, but luchas rfl haucbene catholike,cither by birth of bapriline, or after con wmerſon and education: and none ſuch draw any mulcxtudes after their fa'l vnto th em, vnleſle during the time of their

| ftand & abode in Gods citurch, they had gotten by a counterfeited holines

10 2dmitation of inconttant pc cople to be Lad of LCM, Therefore to the end thac thoſe, who by their corrupt hte and manners inthe Church, would nor onely damnethemlelues, bur allo draw many thouſands by cheir extervall

| ſhewes and prerences of pictie to hell with them, {hould be ſtopped and

preuented of their wretched courſe, it hath euer pleaſed che Diuine good=.. nefle, whole providence is neuer enough to be admired at , nor his mttice trembled at, nor his mercies magnihed: to let be calt a (tumbling blocke in the way of reprobates, whereby they might take an occahon to leape out otGodschurch : & rhereupon God (hew his juſt wdgements ypon them, and all that Teape out withthem , and his mercies vpon the remainder; that

atccr theiriumpietie dilcoucred would no longerbe ſeduced by them. And fo) 12 thenſe and falot euery one,God isalwaies honored, his church glorified, aid all Catholikes hearts oreatly comforted and benefited.

\Vere itnot the feare | taue to be too tedious, T might here enlarge my clic with along diſcourſe of all the principall hereſies and Arch eretickes that euer haue bene. For had not Ar::25 many worthy prelates all ſound Ca- tholikes at the firſt ro take his part? So had Donatzes,lo had Nowarus,fo had Fxtiches,lo had Digſcoris , lo had many hundreds of Arc h-heretickes al- xcll as he: yeaand luch liood on their fide, as befote cuer the comention was decided, had glonthied heauen with Saints, & beautifiedthe earth with Martyrs reliques. And yer welce it was neither an argument of their . pictie, decaule ſo many holy (7pr1215 andother bleſſed men and women, fi- ded ontheirhide at the firſt : neither 5 yet a confirmation of their ercor at the | la{t, becauſe one and he a Pric{t was of power to vexe,trouble,and torment the whole chucch of Affrick,and another the Cathohke church of Aſia in his aberiue Primitucs,@ atter the wholechriftia world infected with his here- Ges, in many millions of his followers, And howſocuer ir happen hereaſtery | or whether the time be yet come ot reuealing the full miltery of iniquity: or that thele contentions may miniſter occalion before all matters be decided,. of another ſacred Apoltolicall, OEcumenicallſynode to be called:or how- ſocuer it may tall out hereupon to man ynknowne ; yet do I yerily thinkeir

Was

of Religion and State. | 25 was Gods holy will and prouidence diuine, that the Seminary Prieſtes thould once come, on the behalle of the whole Church of God, ro buckle betore S21vt Peter with theTeluits againe . And they ſooner then any other Ecclc{1alticall, Monaſticallor temporall order, fociety or company, of none of all which they necede doubr, {at length bur to haue a ioytyll furtherance, comfort and afliltance in their inlt quarell) becaute they ot all other hauing ncied moſt, atthe Iefuirs hands : as admitting of them to be readers in :licic Colledges: receijuing them (clpecially ) ro be coadiutors withthemin (_brilt his harueſt : yeelding to then, nay ſeeking to ſubordinate them- :£1ucsin a fort vnto them: andthatonely to winthe peoples applauſe, and 20ame, tame and praiſe oithem to patle aboue themſelues, notwithltan- Jing thcy were not ignorantthat they had farretheir betters amongltthem (tor cucna Sherwin Seminary Pricft yeeldedto tread a Icluiticall path, and yct he did tarre ſurpaſſe a Campron leſuir,as all the world knew itz }and in tew,they were {o obleruant, or rather ſeruiceable yntothemin all things, as what was there but a Ieſuit might commaund in Ezg/azd : cuen if they would haue had a Prieſt his crowne to haue troden vpon , there were then that would haue obeyed, who now like angry {leeping dogs, vawillingly awaked by thery, will both barke, bite, andleape intheir taces,for a lefle au- datieus preſumption . And then on the other fide, conſidering rhe Ieſuits great ingratitude, inlolency, cruelty, and inhumane tyrannie { like ſtorkes amonglt frogges )not contented with an vadeterued loucraignty , vnlefle all were madethcir bond{laues, to vic innocent harmelefle hezrts , as they have viedthe Seminarie andſecular Priefts : that poſlceſied no catthly ri- ches, that had no worldly joyes, that fought no {ctled (tate in mundane 112:1ſions caducall : that neuer dreamed of other digniries,conquelts or tri- umpies, but ouer finne, {chiſme and acrehie, death, hell, and damnation, how to make their vocation ſure by tcruing their Lord God, with all feare andtrembling, in miniltring of Sacraments to deuour foules, - , |

This being their whole (tudy and care { ah here how canthe forrowiuli {equels be remembred withour Apolirophees of inconſolable grietes)rhar nov (poore wormes } they ſhould be troden ynder foote in their owne corne-fields, in the heateof their haruelt , and cuen by thoſe that they ad- mitted to betheir coadiutors, and tellow-laborers : andthat in their owne native countrey , bauingno other place certaine to relye vpon : whereas te Ieſurts haue their peculiar houſes and Colledges in cuery kingdome al- mo throughout the world? And therfore ofall other ifto to greedy defire of loucraignty had not made them [tarke blind, they would and might wel without thcir lofle or hinderance haue permittedthe Seminary & other ſc- cular Prieſts ro haue liuedby the in&g/azd,to haue palt on theirtime inthis valcofteares, here during the ſhort time of cheir tranſitory lite, tull of all heauinefle: and not moleſted innocentlambes , that ſought no cltabliſhing ot houſes, Colledges, ſodalitics, ſocictics , or corporations to reaiaine

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top or] ry, hich the Tetuits chiefly aimed ar, This being the grofid of a

thcirc rel opprebbion of the innocent , Crying to ncauen for vengeance : ;

[ vt ogy belecuc,it was Gods holy will co hauc the Icſuirs ir; npiety

NBC ſooner by the Seminary Prieſts ,then by any other ſecular or re-

" thgious: andthat no doubtto Gods great gloric and the beneht comfort id relicte otall rrue Catholike harts cithner in Exg/zzd or elicwhey

3 CI 3 Cy oe tyes COON we. AED TE DB PO STEATOSIS SID OWLS

THE ARGVMENT OF Tk fecondGenerall Quodliber.

Haue ſtayed longer vpon the firſt Quo dlibet, then time which haſtencth me to de -

part hence,will well allow me the like demurre ypon the reſt.The next generail Qued- liberfo! loweth very fitly to be of plots caſt by the Teſuits doQrine; how neare they come to Puritaniſine, & what it is their do&trimals of policies do ame at: w het, there aretei!

Articlesto be diſculled vpon Concerning that matter.

EHEs IL ARISELE,

\7 Herher the Teſautes or the Prritanes be more dangerores , pernitt- 0:14 4a noyſome to the commou-wealth,euher of E; arland,sScotlana, 07 ary other Realme, where both or either of them l:r12 together or apart?

THE ANSWERE.

He Jelnits without all queſtion 2re more dangerous: rot that their

Onan ea. 4 doctrines asyeteither ſo abſurd asthe Puritanes / I meane in matters only werth the © NOT offaith/for therein I mult and will to longas they remaine vihble mem-

canger mitt'y bers of Gods Church, ener eftceme of the worlt and baddelſt Teſuir , better

both tw the thenofthebelt and ſanGlick {ee eming Þ uritanc that liucs)but io matters and

- Chairrc! wank 1» Churchandcon "" doctrine, pertaining to manners, coOUcrnement , and dr of lifes nor that

come 71 wWEA:? +

| rotheirowne ic theirintent] is manifeſted as yerro be more malicious agaiult both Church,

= len common-wealth.Prince and Pc \cre,thenthe Paricarcs are : but becauſe "he

onand preſert meanes and their manner of proceccing is more covert, mMOrc ſeeming lub- nee oh Jek. (fantiall, more formal! and order!y in it felfe : and rheretore arethey more tio0% andiactiou> d2:72Cereus,becaule of the two they are more like to preuaile, by managing + . ko niwitne Of whatſocuer they take inhand, Andctherather, for that their groundsare be informed of yore irmegtheir periwations more plautible, cheir pertormance more cer- +: redo Laine 225 having many ſingular hoe wits anongll them : whereas the Purt- en owne ty. tancs nauc none but grofſz:m caprts : many learned men on their ſides, the Puritanes not one:mevy Gentles. Nobles,yea & ſome Princes to {ide with rhetn ; the Puritanesbur texv of rhe ficlt - rare. co have any ot the ſecond : &

nouoe

| of Religion and State. = none at all, ynleſle ic be ore } ofthe laſt on their ſide, And ſo by conſequent if macters come to hearing, hammering & handling betivixe the Teſuits and Puritancs, the latter are lureto be ridden like fools, and core to wracke, \Wanercupon it allo tollowerth that the tormer arc 1n thete re{pects more dangcrous both to the Church and common=-wealth , as nereatter (hall ar large more maniteltly appearc,

THz 11 ARTICLE. VV Hethecr the Teſmtes dotirine abftratted from matters of faith and

rel17104 Come neerer mmatters of hife and manners tothe Proteſtants 27 to the Puritanes*

FHE ANSWERS.

o” Hey are in this relpect all wholly Puritanes; and therefore do lome tor diltintions ſake, call the one Puritane Papilts,and che other Puritane Protcltants. To the better vaderttanding whereota ccrtaine great pertfon is {ayd ro have vicd a compariſon , in way of diſcourſe betwixr leſuirs and Puritanes,conferring them rogether'in this manner,or to this cftcct here en- ſuing, +=

Of .ull ſefts or reliowons, the Teſuit andthe Purutane (quoth he )come neereſt nd are fitteſt to be coupled like cats and dogs together. Firſt for that the Prre- 1.2265 cornt all to be wicked C& ſinful creatures but theſelues: > the leſmrs will haue none to be counted holy,uertuo;ts,or religions, that are not of their [ocae» des ET hy tre 07 A llowers. Secondly,the Puritanes hane their ſecret conncaticles and mee- Gentlemen thar 11105 1p /1ich none other muſt be acquainted withall : ad fo hage the Teſwnes. oo wal oi Thirdly the Puritanes are entred into {ecret league of conjpiracy c:g:aft all o- could narac,and ther profeſſors of the Goſpell* and ſo are the Teſaits rowiaſt all other profeſſors im —_ of the R omane farth, Fourthly,the Paritanes call themſelues the ſauclly bro + :arres) were dif.

: a - - contented whe therbood, deauded from all others, that are not of their {ett and opuion : and Ar " the Ielants call themſelues the holy raiſon ſeparated from ll other , that are Wines 3.0r4.or _ PREY? AE h = ES. fe <ok | _ | ni0dayes arid not of their FActeon. Fiftly FC Puritanes hazue a fecret watcimwora , to kaow nights together.

om to :rilt, or to admmtte to be of their confed: racy : aud jo haue the leſu- oo -n_ bee oY . : . UID / : OOO) inthe 1res . Suxtly,the Paritanes take an oath, a51t 15 reported, acucr toreneale to yy eee

deal any ſecret done,attempted or intend:d by them or among them: and to now they haue , A lf” w . 7 ” J ; CoOnceit ed theſe ts re efett 15 the Telrts oath, or vow of abearence , Senenthly . the Pu- wares, and

vt nes inilre all men bound to tell them what they acmarmd, aud yet they on anc bod to toll none any thing bat what they pleaſe : and enen right ſo the tis ; of Teſrntes . Erp otty, the Puritare hols he may +7110 any thing before any Indce " hos: r_ : wh-t/oerer , that 1s not of his fraternitie ith iura periura, lecretum. pro- Tok Av» oy dcrenok : aud to the ſame ſenſe 15 the Teſmites equinocations to any but moo mal p-—. Vs to one of their ſocretie » Nuukly, the Puritanes vic all ſcoſfing , among ——_ {coldinr, and ugnomintous aiſaracing [peeches that may be, with moſt \* ay 7; + 1nfcmoins libels againſt the B1yhops ana Enghſh Cleargie : and een ſo there,

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/a the I-(aits w/e the like araimſt all the Biſhops and Pretates of the Romane Fa ar7y.T enthly, the Puritanes all wholly affet! fmgularity in gate , 1 Cconn- ' C14NCe g 111 ſpeech 17 apparel and al! ther attions : and enen ſo do the Teſwits. [lenenthly, the Puritanes cannot endure to heare of any to equall them m any thing : and no more or much leſſe can the Teſmits .. Twelftly, the Puritanes muſt hane all men to obey them : ſo muſt the leſuits . Thirteenthly, the Prritanes may diſpenſe with ſome of their confederacy , to mſrnate them- ſelues mio the Mimiſtery : aud to v/e Strplhice , cap, croſſe, ring, and all accor- ding tothe Oneenes munttions : which 15 quite _ to thor dottrmme, but that they do it for loue of ther benef.ces : andenen ſo the leſnites may diſpenſe with ſome of their cloſe confederates or ſoctety, to paſſe under rhe name of ſecular Pricſtes for their priate game and more aduantage, though other - wile ther profeſſion be quite contrarie. F ourteenthly , the Puritayes will hare no ſuperionrs : no more will the Ieſuates . Fifteenthly, the Pruri- tunes will acknowledge no obedtence to. any Eccleſiaſtical dronitie : nomore will the Teſwites , but yet both of them connterfeitly and diſſemblingly do yeeld, S rxteenthly, the Puritanes labour to pull all Biſhops aowne , and to haue none but Superintendents m England , and have made banocke al-

readte of all ſuch tn Scotland © and the Teſmites will let no Biſhop be im

either Realme , if they can keepe them from that ſuperioritie oner them. Senenteenthly , the Paritanes ſecke to pull downe Kings and Princes : and

lo ao the leſrites h Erghteenthly , the Pruritanes would bring all K ings and

commorn-wealthes to a poprlaritte and Oligarchical! gorernement * and ſo world the Ieſrmtes, Nincteenthly, the Puritanes controull both Princes and Prelates, as if they were thetr ſuperionrs : and the Teſrates checke and controule both Pope and Prince , as at leaſttheir equals , Twentiethly, the Puritane CMuniſters mnſt be of connſell with the Prize, mthe higheſt af-

fcures of his Realme:& ſo mr!ſt the leſniticall paarer, or elle all 15 out of frame.

Oneand rentiethly, the Prerutanes muſt appoint Prince, Conrt ana ( onnſel!,

what to ſet amwne and define in all matters of goneruemtnt aud ſte: and ſo miſt the Teſrrits. Two and twentiethly , the Puritanes muſt haue the pernſm, rantying and confirming, of whatſocter doth paſſe from the Prince or Lora, {birutrall or temporal of the land : and ſo mnſt the Teſuntes , or eſo tt ſhall be A {biſed,reicfied and hold'n fir ridiculous, and not worth the [ettinn foorth or rubles . Three and twentiethly, the Puritanes mirst bane all Prences. Vobles or other ſtates ſo dutifull and ſerniceable wito them, as they must not laugh , they mu5t not play. they muſt not walke , they mr:ft not talke, they muſt not gre or recerte any gifts, or vſe any private conference, or de- cent recreation, Cc. without thetr confent or prinitie * aud onely ſo much andno more , then they appoint them : and enen mſt [0 15 it with the Te- fruits. Forre and twentiet bly the Puritanes hotd he cannot be a good C hriſttas: that doth reſilt them: and the Teſmiter, that he cannot be a ſpund (athe- like that ſheakes agarſt them, Cc. Fine and twentiethly , the Purttanes

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of Religion and State. * 21 -ounr them/clues the new ulumumates, Cc. and the Teſwits that they are ee from errow , more famuliar with God, more preciſely and peculiarly ills. mated, aud more ſpecially mnaued with the ſpirit of gmding ſoules , then ſe- cnlar Pricſts are, (5c. Innumerable of the like compariſons may be made betiwixt them in matters of life and «manners ( and I pray God not too many in matters of taich and religion ) which teeing they both ſquare, and difter herein from the Proteſtants : it followeth that the TIefuits and Puri- tanes, do come neerelt rogetherin platformes, though both oppoſite one

tothe other in intention as farre as farre may be? Hether the Ieſwits doflrine ſmell of innonation , and by conſequen! of herefie 1n any thing : or elſe 15 ut onely a ſmgularity m matters of manners, inall things done or maintained Ly ther. |

THE ANSWEE.

c is one thingto ſrnell ofany corruption, and an other to be-infected with a pouant, or ([tinke of the fame: and thereforethat the I cluits ſmell molt horrible of both, and that in a moſt dangerous manner, it is cleare by all theſe five and twenty degrees comparatiue,berwixt them and the Puri- tanes, And the like may be layd of their new inſtitution of an Archprieſlt : a plaineand manifeſt innouation, as a word, title, and authority quite out oty{einthe Church of God at this day : and never at all raken or ap- pointed to gouerne in that ſenſe, and to that intent and purpoſe as he is takento be, andis by them inſtituted and appointed , How they 1mcll of other dangerous innouations, it will bewray it leltein time,

THE 11H, ARTICLE,

VV Hether any of them haue publiſhed tn printed bookes , or openly or 1m priuate conference taught ary thing contrary to the beleefe of the Catholike Romane Church or ot.

THE 11, ARTICLE.

THE ANSWERE.

P7—"Hey haue, and that eucric way in printed bookes,in 1,vritten copies or

1 manuſcripts : and [but mot of all ) in private conſcrence . Which (contrary totheir opinion } will not be hardeſt ro get witneſſes of, to a- ouch it totheir face, eſpecially in matters of confetlion, andother points, which Ibluſhto write of, as I haue had relation mace vnto me . Butto Ac purpoſe : whereunto otherwiſe do all their libe!s, letters , and ſuggefied flaunders f pread abroad againſt ſecular Prieftes the Ecclefialti- cailiate,and the reſemblance berwixt them and the Puritan Zuincteldians

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All you deuour but marucloufdy {educed Cathn- lI:Ke 5: for the loue Ot our {weere Sa” uour I defire yYou:and on Gnds bchalfe, I charge YOu as you loue your owne ſoulgs, tolay aſhde all blind affte&tinn and partial doom, and confcrre one of thele Quodh- bers with ano - thor, and then wergh well wrh ; Vour {clues what Caule Yor! hauec ce moue You to be !0Cage rin dcten: ding thcle moye daugerous aduer- aries ofy our foule;, then ag cther profeſic enemy torhe Re. mane Catho!ike tuih,

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Anabapritls or tamily of louc,&c. tend, ſaue onely tothe vroacking abroad of molt abhominable heretics,

Aod 11 particular , whereunto doth father Par/ons popular doctrine in be Ciuilians diſcourſe tend, taw onely to an abſurd heretic of denying tree willin humane actions: when as inthe firſt part and neere the Deginning thereof, to cut off all right of lucceſlion by birth and bloud, he ſers me this

downe for a generallrule , maxime or exioma, icil. T hoſe things that are of

the tw of God and nature, are common to all'nations, as God ard nature are common to all: ergo if the gonernement and regall ritht of ſucceſſion were by the law of God and nature deſcending by berth and bloud, the ſame ſhould be common aa4 alike, in and to all nations, as God and nature are, &c. Butwe [ce that us falſe : for ſome nations haue one kind of gouernement and manner of” ſucceſſion: and ſome another , Cc. ergo gouernement and ſucceſhon by birth and bloud, are not ofthe law of God and nature,

This Elenchizll fallacy { for he will not dare ſtand ſyncategoremati- callyro approue it) denies flatly free-will , putting no difterence betwixt thelaw of God and nature in man, andthe ſame law in braite bealtes : whereasthere isnot a boy of any wit, that rightly vnderftands onely Por- phiries predicables but wold hifle him out ofihe {chooles,tor a fond wran=- oling and ynlearned Sophiſter , to contound natures freedome, in her ſpe- citicall brood, differenced by reaſonand ſenſe (and fo leaue quite outthe third wmmerſale ) as rationale and irrationale: or thus , naturall reaſon and naturall ſenfe: the former being naturally as free to change, as the latter is naturally bound to his obiet , Neither is any ſo fottith , as not to know the diſtinction of naturall actions #1 creatura rationals C> rrrationals, ſenſi-

bil: © 1a/enſibils : and that by a liberty naturally inſerted inthe will of man;

tis 2s free as common , and as fitly agreeing to the law of God and

nature, tharman ſhould be mutable in all his humane actions, and by

con{:quent as naturall for him vt crearzra rational:s , to alter his forme of gourrnement and manner of {uccefſion, as it is of necetlicy voide of allh- | berty or choile by the ſame lawes in him ve homo vel ereatura humana ſen- bil:s & mortalts to be immutable in his naturall actions:as it is itnmutabie by natures law for {moake to aſcend ypward, and a ftone fall downe- ward : and yct God and nature common, and all one in their ordl- naric concurrence ( granted to ſecondarie caulies ) to the one as well azthe OCT, | But forthis and other ſome halte {core of grofſe errours like ynto it you [hall ſce { Thope ) ſufficient matter in contutation of things in the Antiperiltatis to the firft part of Parſons Doleman,concerning his many many grotle abuics of both Canon , Ciuill, and common lawes, decrees and cuitomes. Another principle or propoſicion of a Jeſuit concerning their falſe do- etrine contrary tothe beleete of the Romane Catholike Church js, thatthe ſtewecs

of Rel;2101 and State. h Jr

{tewes arein Rome cum approbatione as lawfull as ay Citizen, Magiſtrate or order of religion , or yet the Pope himlelfe, Another like hercticall, and molt dangerous aſſertion of theirs is, that the auncient fathers »-» Yar /ng- {tantiationts ne attigernnt, A like to this is their ſcofte and ictt at Prielilood affirming it to be bur a toy, that a Prieſt is 1nade by tradition of the Chal- lice, patten, and oalt into his hands, &c, And anot much vnlike con- :emptof Prieſthood 15 collected out of the three farerwels of the foule, made ſimply God-wor by a witeman,and yet commended to the skies by the Ieſuits and their faction : becaule forlooth if that abſurd booke might haue taken place none ſhould haue had any ghoſtly father bur a l«{unte, or fome ſubliitute Prieſt vnder him,

Yeathe Author of that faile doctrine and mo{t arrogant hypocritica!l or Pharifaicall errour, being friendly admonithed in a letter trom a rene- rend Prieſt tobe waric of tis writings , and not to be lo lauith of his pen, notraſh with his tongue ashe had bene, reſcribing backe ina mot ſaucie and peremptorie manner, taking it in ſcornetoreceiveany charitable ad- monition { muchlefle ſuch correction as he bad iultly deſerucd) atanieſe- cular Prieftes hands , was grolly bold corel] him, amongſt other things, that whereas he acknowledged a dutie, and reſpect ro be hadto religeous Prieftes (meaning leſuits, as the tenor of his letter imports ) yet to him he acknowledged none, he being but aſecular Prie(t, and himſcite a lecular centleman : andno difterence vnleſle it were inthis that he might minifter the Sacramentsto him, which he could not, &c, Alike to tiieſcis there no le{le ablurdthen erronious doctrine concerning their Generals in fallabilicy oftruch for deciding of matters, their abſurd paradoxes of equiuocation, malepert, bold ,and damnable dottrine -in preiudice of the Sea Apolto- like, fecretly laboring to infringe the appeale, admitting a company of (i1- ly women to bethe Archpriclts and Tefuitesgraue Counſellors { an odde conccit fittohaue bene laughed at by the Romane Senate whilesgenriliſme thererulzd : When the wily waggetold his curious mother the Scna- tors were conſulting about pluralitie of wiues, &c, ) Well, yet our En- gliſh goflippes thus fawned vppon by thele teducing guides, and thereby poore ſoules made fond of them , mult be ſer on with a companie of greene heades God wort”, and fome but baſe tellowes ( for ſo their baſe conditions , and vnhonelt dealing makes them, where otherwife being ſome of them gentles of auncient hou- ſes, yet deferue to haue their armes reucrſed, and their * coates pulled ouer their earcs, for ſpeaking or officiouſly intrucing them ſclues for bribes and gaine to bee brokers of theſe ſednt- ous Icſuites errours againſt their owne conſciences , to covicatch thoſe 2s ignorant as themſelues, and to works as much as in them lyes, to make all Cathohkes abhorre, contemne , and loath both Pricſtes

an: all , or any of the ſeculars that are in the appcale, ye?, which 1s

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molt odious and leditious : they maintaine a popularitie to ſet all ſubs ie&ts on agaialt their Princes, as hercafcer thail be couched at large, Which with many the like, it they ſhould maintaine in any Catholike countrey they would be burat at a take for ir , as ablurd heretikes one a'rer another ,

[ tha!lbe too long perforce : but torthereſt I reterre the reader to fun- dry bookes ſetout,, , andto be publiſhed againlt them, Forit is high time tor all Chriltendome to looketo them, and extherto intringe cheir inſolen- ie, and make them keepe their cloilters, and meddle onely with their bookes and beades, it they be religious as they would be counted : orat lealtif ro teach, preach, heare confelfions, and miniſter Sacraments,

they would haue leaue : : ( yea, I ſfayleaue , for leaue they mult hauc,

how proudly locuer they looke, and {ubmit themſclues ro Biſhops, P.c- lates, ſecular Cleargic, and the (tate Eccleſialticall, though this word I know will make them ftarcle and lookeas wild as March hares , or r2- ther !auage Canibals,/as lome haue laydthat were they not religeous men { mult accountto find them, it eucr they get me within their clooches: | Welleſfo qzod/icin che meane time, yer lo it mult be, infpite oftheir ar- rogant ylurpate authoritie , of elſe not allowed of ſo much as to heare any one contel[ton, nor to ſay Maſle abroad art all, then let them not pre- ſume to take [tate and juriſdiction Ecclefiaſticall ypon them , and therc- by to cenlure fecular Priettes ac their pleaſure, vnder whom they mult pet - force liue, or elſe runne our of their order and abiure it , as preiudiciall to their preterment,

THE V. ASSICLE, EW any of them hane ſtood in defence of any of the premiſes: or of

any other error or hereſie by them, ether pud bilhed in bookes: or w[i- ecdeth y carer rated openly, or taught ſecretly : or 10t any at all,

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llees in} 1 land, then the Icluits , . | TT ie +: oO haue ſundrie of chem apoſtataed & fallen out of Gods Church,

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fol ng ant Hhaueſeencin print, But for thoſethat ſeduce the Engliſh Catholikes, of tar without _ whom now principally theſe Quodlibets do intreate they neither can,nei-

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cit pc place,ver. Ther may jultly be called heretikes, becauſethey do not (iand obſtinare in

2 _— their opinion of any of theſethings : neither do they , neither dare they fuir) or orher cir- maintaine anie of thee hereſies orerrours as yet , whatlocuer they intend

cun!tance what hercatter, whenthey fee anend ef theappeale,and who will tandtothem 26 /everns 69 and who forlakethem: bur all in ſuch {lye diſſembling equiuocate and co- ra pariwre, ſecrets ot (ore a hard it ſhall beto fallen any error ypon them,For their plots by

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doctrine hike as by al other proiects,tending rather in deed to flat atheiſme, then co any particular herel1e,they were vnworeh y thename of temporiſed [tacilts(1wherot they boaft)or ro be readersin AZ:chinels ſchoole(which is their {ecret practile in ſcholeriſrue?) itchey ſhould nor denie all and change eheir opinions, agrecingtortiine, perſon and place : and as a Counſellor at che common law once aid/ rather trulting God with their ſoules, then the world with their bodizs ) ke would neither burne for the on*nor hang for the other, Sothat (as | ſaid)2s hard it (hall be to conuince them of anie er- rours in mattersof taith, as it was to haue convinced e Ayr who lublcri- bing tothe Councels decrees,ſwearc it was true , as it there was written, (mcaning inthe paper kept cloſe in hisboſome or flecuc)iuſt like roche Ie- luits ablurdequiuocating, or counterfeitedperiuries, {acriledges and cou- finage in abuſing the words of S. Par, with fat?us ſum omna omnibus vt omnes lucrifactam : as much to lay ina ITeſuiticall ſenſe, asto be a Seminarie Prielt amongelt Seminaries,a Secular Prie!t amonget Seculars, a rehgious man amongelt religious, aledirious perſon amongelt ſeditious , a faCtious Spaniardamong(t Spaniards,an Englith traitor amoglt traitors, a Scotrilh villaine amonglt Scots, and amonglt all theſe to denie & aftirme to obiect andan{wer, to {weareandfor{weare whatſocucr may be a gaine to him for hisincorporation,pragnaticall common-wealth or locietic,which difleme bling and Atheall dealiag of theirs,to make it manitelt to all the world,do- Etor (, xcils dooke againlt father {eton,, the Scots Ieſuit may ſuthſe, For who doth not know how mightily this Scots father hath (tood in oppoſiti- onin{hew ofthe world (at leaſtin preſence of Scots and Engliſh ) againſt tather P2r/onus our Engliſh Polipragmon, concerning the Scots pretended ule rothe Engliſh crowne, Infomuch as report hath gone,that his Maie- {te King James ( by letters and meſlages deuiſed and fcntfrom theſe Scors religious [tatilts ,to ſertle a ſound opinion in his Princely heart of this falle hearted hypocrite) hath ſaid, that there wasone Ieſuit yet good old farher C yeton ) that dealt and ſpoke on his behalte, &c. notwithſtanding that the lame rmaiſter Cic:/e doth clearely prouethat this loyall Scots father in the Court of Spaine did zunne a quite contrarie courſe , ſung Placebo to King Pl/:p then;and as a moſt infelt enemie yſedas bicter, peremprorie and trai- tero.15{ or ratherirreligious ſpeeches of hisowne Liege, Lord and King, as euer fatner Parſons had vicd in anie paſſage of ſpeech or libell againii him. | | | Therefore do I conclude thisarticle,as with an expoſition ofthe former, that as probable it is, they will ſtand outeuenas the Templars did to death betore they will conteſle any thing that may diſcouer their great impierie: lo queſtionleſle it were no policieinthemto profefle themſclues as yet o- pen enemies to the Sea Apoſtolicke(muchlele ro (land to any one of their innouate & new inuented paradoxall doctrines )cither by word or writing: but rathetto labour atthe ficltto draw the ignorant mwlticudes ( and 4 | D |

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by peecemeale ) others of more grauitie , wit andcarning ynto them, by Jlauſible perſwaſions: making them belceuc that they are the reformed Church { for fo they ſay, a Ictuite is nothing elſc but a reformed Prieſt, right Puritans in all things: ) that tney ſeek only to hauc all Biſhops and Prelats,IGings and Princcs ,1uc in order according to their yocations and callmg: thar all went to wracke in Exo/and, Scorlzid, Flanders, (Germane. Polozy, and wherc not, bctorc they came : that Catholike religion, Chri- tian diſcipline, and orderly lite among{t all Prieſts and religious perſons was cuen worne outof vie and memorie yntil they reuiued it: & that they ſought only to reduce all tromerrors and abules which were in many ol 9 Marie Prieites andothers and to draw them to the vnion of the Sca Apoltolike, To which Sca (t0:tooth )rhcy onely did and ever would ac- knowledge,an obedience to death: this hauing bere the platforme ofall ther(orthe molt parc) ot hcrerikes at rhe fir{t vnder colourofrooting c- uil out of the Church,and that torſooth in the right ot,and on the Caihio- like Romane Churches behalte, therby to bring a greater miſchicfe ypon it,that is, more filth into it; and as our Sauiour Chrilt rightly parabolized of ſuch, finding the houle cleane {wwepr, they bring ſeuen other foule ſpi- rits with them worſe the themſclues were before. Fr ſic fire norfſ,homms /lzrzs peiora prioribus.: So of very like ſort their Phariſaicall, hypocriticall, and mock-mending doctrine ot rctormation,tends to none other end,thE to be an introdu#tion to the ſoric ſequels of their arrogancie, Whereof we nced no better teſtimonie then Fa.Garxet the Ieſuits Prouinciall here in Frgland, his forward, reſolute and zealous oftentation on the behalte (torlooth of the Sea Apoſtolike (O piitul complaining)tor inſtitution of the Archpresbirerie ypon Cardinall Carzerazs ſurreptcd letter of authori- tie, Which fraudulent in(titution and violently intruded Archpresbitery being in a {ort (yet with a reuerend regard of the Cardinals grace,and ncr with that cotempr it iuſtly did deferue )refilted by the ſecular Prictts, this notable companion fa,Garrer inthe froth of his zeale foming againſt rhe {11d {cculars ro make them feeme odious and conternners of the Popes authoritie (for {o theſe impudent ſhamelefle men made it ſeeme to the Ig norant ){aid he would (marie would he )ſtand to death in defence of the Popes holinefſe his decree and inſtitution of this new renowned Prelate, O nuge, monttrous, audacious, nay officious intruding boldnefſe , did you cuer heare the hke cogging mate,who to blcare the peoples cies and to band and boliter out to horrible afaR, as to thruſt a Tcfuit Archpricſt vpon vs, and that moſt tyrannically to be fl:zgellum Det ouer the ſecular Prieſts {pite oftheirtceth,, he would make men belecue , nay women in- deed;(torthe molt part of their pure ſpirits arc of the frmale ſexe as eaſieſt

deluded) thathe tooke vpon him the defence of the Sea Apoſtolike in

managing with huffe and ruffe this foiſted in authoritic, Well yetT can- not blanc his wit( though I derelt his hypocrifie in this aRion,as an ae

then

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of Religion and State. IF then the which nothing could haue 5ene more preiudiciall to the Apoſto- licall Sea,nor wore vniuſtly tachered on his Holineſlc) tor in decde ir flood all {uch trairours and confpiratours ypon ( ashe and his companions haue {he wedthemſclues to bein that and other actions againlt bath Pope and Pcince,bur eſpecially againſtthe Nobles and common-wealth of this land ) to.hauchad M.3/achwels authority eltabiilhed by hook or by crook:other- wiſc heir great Arch-atheall imaller,farher Parſons with ſome others of the miphtſhaue come in danger to haue bene degraded & fer onthe pillorie tor , torgerie,notin {inal matters or priuare actios,but in points of as high unpor« tance, aSare crownes & kingdomes,or wuriſdiction Apoltolicall& tupreme. . Bur ofthis matter I ſhall haue occaſion to talke hereafter ; onely thus much I haue here noredco giue the diligent Reader to vnder{tand what notable dewiles theſe men haue to ſeduce the ignorant and well meaning heartz:how rightly they tread the pathes of al former hereticks at their firſt entrance into the blind by wates of fingularitic, which broughe them quire ourof the Kings path, bigh way,or Watling [treer:how plaine their abſurd, orolle, and manitelt errours doappeare,though it be impoſſible (by reaſon of their diſimulation,equiuocatior,fophiltication, winding, twinding and doubling/tofaften any herefie ypon theE,they wil haue ſuch interpretations, expolitions, comments and plofles, orrather gloſes, and how notwithſtan- ding they may not be iulily rermed herericks, becauſe neither istheir perti- naciein generall yet knowne , neither anie one mans particular obſtinacie made{as yet) manifelt in che premiſes. AndI pray Godir neuer may be bur that they may reforme, correct, and humble themſclues intime, cither by comming our of their order and focietie { if they fee the daunger of their {oules perdition,eminent by living in jt:there being ſome of the queſtion!es verie good men and inrocent of the guile and deceit,that it isin their chiefe Recors, & prouincials)or elle by purging and refining cheir lives and man- ners in it in generall,thatthey may make me and many moefalſc hor who according to that race they do runne cannot iudge otherwiſe of them but as ſome ot the wiſer fort amongſtthemſelueshaue 1udged,foretold and preſaged of a heauice downefs!! ro come ynto them by their ambitioh and 1ſpiring, Antiho1y ſharp, bitter,and extreame ſocuer,or exorbitant(as ſome of them terme my letters) I may ſeemein ſpeech or writing againſt them, for corafiues ( not lenitiues ) muſt helpe or nothing inthe deepe launcing oftheſe inward teftred ſores,couered ouer with ſound fleſhand skinto out- ward ſhew,yetGod is my witnes,I do as affeCtionatly & tenderly ,as faith- fully and vntainedly wiſhtheir amendment euen from my verie heart,and in my poore prayers do as daily remember euerie day ypon my knees, & at Gods holy altar intime of wy belt memories and deuotion : yea and with- all, do recommend their and our vnitie , peace and quiet together, ( as Catholickes, bothprieſtes and lay perſons ſhould haue and liue in) to eucrie penitent that comes vnto me vnder benedicite , as duely and

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truly as for mine owneneedie (becauſe finſull) ſoule . And foto make an end of this Article,let none thinke me to be out of chatitie in this vehemene kind of writing : tor TI told you at the firſt, that the cauſe why I rooke this courſein hand, to deale with them by way of Quodlibets, was of ſetpur- poſethat I might without offence more readily androundly touch them to the quicke : wiſhing from hencefoorth till all be ended { tor perhaps 1 may touchghem more narrowly hereafter, then as yet I have ) that both I in writing , andthey all into wholc handstheſe may come in peruſing, may neaer let this charitable corrective, and firly to be applied ſpeech to our purpoſe of the prince! y prophet paſſe out of our minds, fcil: Iva/crming &n0+ hte peccare, fc. withthe which kind of anger I do now proceedein the ret

of niy Quodlibets. THE VI ARTICLE.

VV; her ay Cathol:che man or woman be hnowne to be or to hane

bene ſeduced by them : and if there hae, then by what meanes?

THE ANSWERE.

W/E anie Catholicke ſeduced? yes; who doth follow them, but WhnC __——_ is ſeduced by them? Indeede thoſe thatlcaſt know them do moſt hoe Gs .y, admirethem: and therfore itis a common queſtion among the meaner ſort bu.is etheri-4u- Vas that ſeditious fation molt proudly count all with whomthey are not

: A Sh ccd or Trotlcly

hulcd by them, acquainted) to aske one of another, or of ſuch Prieltes as come ynto then, for a | ey ny ! pray you w hat are theſe Teſruts , ſure they are men of great Account , worthy

Crholickes here 17262, farre aboue any ſecular Prieſt. They [ay tn France noble men would come pee ene With their hattes off to them, and y:t ſuffer ſecular Prieſts and others of the forgeries, foil: ei French ( leargie to ſtand bare headed before them, (* ertainly they are rare

ther th? 1001-

Emmlous, 776T hey are tn high places. T he 'y nener come at ſuch mean houſes as ours axe,

gnoran 1a 1 ener ſaw any of them but one , and ſure he ſeemed to be very learned, wiſe,

lows: nf h -_ © graue,and ſome extraord nary per/on,and [0 my brother,or ſiſter,or mother, or reap wind nee: of 229 hrer, or conſrn, or ſome one friend or other told me in ſecret,that he was a we ch Wie fragular fine man:but it mn; 20t 11: 43, caſe be hnowne abroade FL: the houſe a- amb ©-l- 7220;1g the mferior ſort of ( atholic ker,wuleſſe toſuch,or ſuch,by name. For Tell ther notable JOu » Bets not a manthat EHCTY 082 15 WOX! hy to come acquainted wthall, &c, cog. gk of cou- Andthus,per wrars caperinmt homies Philoſophari : Theſe natural Philoſo=

ſes pike lockes, PRES, Or rather plaine naturals indeede, admiring what manner of menthe combuglate>, Jeluits ſhould be, began to deicant of afurmiſed worthineſſeto be in them

extornon, frmo- bh - ; ,

ny,all Lom'ar. aboue all others:and thereuponinterd by alcaſleſſe ſequel of their ſeeming- w_ m 5 wee: {ound conceir, that it Could notbe but the ſecular prielts were inthe wrong, of : bur eſpec1a1!y WOW be onerthrowne , - and impoſſible for them ro hold our againlt the by v9 geacrall rules: one towinne all ſuch to be of their ſocietic thar are wealthy and worſIipfull, or honorable: {tor note, !hough that they chaſe of the fineſt wits, and moſt Parring heads that can be gotten for money, ver when ener ofiy they will aiwaics refnſe the pregnan! wit for the proud richcoarthough there be but agdunce within irs vecns the Cau'e rhatthey nine fo many imple ſcho/lers amongſt them, Another rule is toget an intereſt inthE, that

£a2n0t or wil not ben; thhevy focterts - and ſoin enery houſe where they line each Teſuir ſorlooth, malt rule like 2 Lord Dame for fot 21.1 lot, evJet and fet,and buy aud li allat their plealure,ny man being Mailigr of his own houſe where

”'Y ” £1 . - » . = # 7» - ! 4 ! Ug ? , amay USAC ie mae and bc aNITIEO k,

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Iciuites , who hadallthe greateſt, chicte(t, and molt part of the nobles and oentles throughout England ontheir fide:yes, and of the preatelt princes in Chriſtendome totake their parts, whereas the ſecular prietts had none of any reckoning.For theſeare the yaine vaunts of their brokers abroade,yea and of Icfuits themſclues as arrogantly made;as fallly aftirmed,and neither way prieltly,and muchlefle rel1g1joufly. But what ſhould a man ſpeak of hu- militie, pouertie,or any rehgious yow or yertue in them,that can draw out a quinteflence from the higheſt dignities of Pope or Prince 1» ord ad De- »m,t0 make themſelues demi Godson earth, whereby a man may gather chat amonglt manic other ſundric meanes of ſeducing and drawipg of 0- chers to their faction: one and a chicte of all the rel? is their Phariſaicall hy- pocrifie. Now tothe firlt part ofthe intertogation, | Toname anic in particular ſeduced by then IT am veric loath, for that they are all or moſt part ofthem of one of thelethree forts, and therefore may probably be reclaimed:to wit,fome of the arc ied away of meere ſ1m- plicitic & indiſcreet zeale,whole wits be on the one (1de inſutficient ro dil- cerne by outward aCtions what is in the inward wi, which is a hard matter for anic to define of:andonthe other (ide, as inſufficient tobe praCtitioners for theſe ſtateſmen in regard ofthe ſame defect : and therefore are made onely Parrots,Pies, or 1angling Iayes, to prattle yp and downe all that they heare and ſee ; where you mult note,thar all which they {hall heare or ſee, mult be onely ofſuch things as may ſtirre them vp with zcale, ( forlooth) and as an actof ſpirituall meritto defend thele holy Fathers in cuerie thing, and to be readie to ſpit ina Prieſts face,toflie from him as froma yowed e- nemie of Gods Church, becauſe an aduerſaric to the Fatthers, and thinke itto be as hortible a {inne againſt their conſcience to make as great a ſcru- ple to come to anie Sacrament or {eruice with them or toaske them ble(- ling, asif they were Ethnickes, Infidels, orother damned creatuxes, and alrcadie denounced to beſo, But for anie other ſecret or point of impor- tance , they ſeldome or neuer impart itto thele tittle tatlers , whereof 1 could name you belides imple men a whole browne dozen of filly Gen- tlewomen abour L ondon,that courſe both water and land, Citie and Sub<. urbes,houſe and fieldes, with theſe and the like ſpeeches,ſcil. Out vponthe Seculars the Seminarie Pricſts,the leditious, the factious:when as alas, good Ladies{for two of this holy crue ate Ladies indeed )they know not what a faction meanes,but as I ſaid beforelike Parrots ſpeake as they be taught, & ſo they are to be accounted of accordingly. Others are wholy depcding on them for their tewporallnecefſities and bodily reliefe : and as the common laying is, neede makes men of occupation, and the Ieſuites hauing gotten 11das his office({cil.to carrie the mory bag)into their ſubllitutes hands, diſ- poſing of all the wealth and charitie of Carholickes { conſiſting of manic thouland pounds) where,how,and to whom they pleaſe,though moſt fin- fully,irreligiouſly andabufiuely they conuert theſe Pro; v/44, intended bythe

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benefactors where need is moſt into their own purſes{theſe are braue re=

ligiousmen,be they not?) or into their purſes atleaſt,trom who they may

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coniure itat their pleaſures, and make itflie ouerthe Ocean ( vnder pre- tence of relieuing the Colledges or Seminaries)to prepare for an inuaſi6, Now what would you haue thole diſtrefſed Catholikes to do, thatliue in want,cither by reaton that their liuingsare take from them,or vpon ſome other accident of fortunes frowne?the ſecular Priclts arc not able to help them, becauſe they receiue nor/molt of them)one tarthing of the comms contribution, bur liue only vpon rehet ſent them from their priuar friends: ro get adodkin ofa Icfuicor his procuratorit is impoſſtble,vnles they wil run with open mouth in defamation of ſeminary Prieſts & their very firſt {pirituall farhers oftentimes that begot them in Chritt Icſus ro Godward: and to ſtarue or famiſh they may nor, if poſſibly rhey can avoide it,There- tOrc mult this necefaric relation needes be berwixr the Icluites and thete Kind of protors, thatif the Teſuits rake away their vpper lips they ſpill their whiſthng : and if they whiſtle not apace againſt all the ſecular Priefts,vith panigeries ſounded out ofthe Tetuits praiſes': then ſhall th looſe theirvpperlippe, andall their hope ofreliefe, And thus are theſe needie perſons made another kind of ſticklers for them , who accordin to their qualities and abilities to do them fſeruice with a cleanly con- ucyance 1n their aftions, ſhall be more or lefſe acquainted with fome of their ſecrets, driftes and markes they ſhoore ar, A third ſort of the Teſuits panigerickes or vnskilfull herauldes in this blazon , are of thoſe that are men of State in deede”: beare haughtie mindes : aſpire to high mounts, and expect great mattersatthe comming in of the Spanrards, or . time ofthe Ieſuits triumphs and conquelt made of this Realme , _ ayde of forrcigne powers (together with Indulgences granted to the 1idors,and excommunications thundred out againſt the refiftants,wherof I will talke anone ) leuicd at their cofts aud charges, taking vp fouldiers euery where for pay , if they cannot otherwiſe preuaile by helpe of Spe, And theſe are they which the Teſuites boaſt not a little of , And though many of them be not God wor of the wiſelt (tor ifthey were they would neuer be led into a fooles paradife,vpon Moone ſhine, hopes of Lycean towers to be built for them by theſe great Statiſtes : ) yet by”: reafon,partly of the great hope(as I aid before)ot receiuing euer an hun> , dred for one:and partly of fome great enemies they naue in oppoſition a- eainſt themſclues they do runne the courſe of the Ieſuits. In deciding of the controuerhe betwixt the two great houſes of Arunde/& Dacre,l have made this point more apparant,hozw the one houle,that it might the bet- ter ſuppreſle the other, applauderhto all the Teluirs vndertake, in hope to beRrengthened by them herafter,uvhilft thelcluits inthe meanetine like . oreedy caterpillers do pray vpo.them, & exceptit be with theflap of a fox tzibMal never be able to do them any ſeruice, Beſides inthe taid decifhon

1 haus touched ſandric ofthe cxcceding great, baſe and molt yile{lande- rous

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rous and contemptible indignities, wrongs and reproches neuer in honor | ze be put vp by any ofa Dacres bloud,offered by the Teluits faction tothe now Lo:Dacre & his cuer honorable houle & name, Yea one of his own, &c, was brought into ſuchfa forwardneſle of tollowing theſe lioly fathers & taught withal herleſſon hovw to vie the art of diflembling,according to the Iefuits rule,of {wearing and forfwearing in a contrarie ſenſe and mea- ning : that ſhe was as bold and relolute, asraſh aad impudent, vn- naturally to maintaine, that ſhe would not for father, mother, lilter, bro- ther nor all the friends ſhe had in the world beſides,euer yeeld to forlake the companie of one Ieſuit (a Pearle for a Ladie) let it hap as hap would, rn GQeriar & yct atcerwards being charged therwith,or to tnat effect thatſhe ſhould haue no dealings with any ofthem,ſhe deeply proteſted by a letter backe - ynto his Lordſhip, that the had not, neither would haue , notwithftan- ding that about the ſame tune , her ſaid Teſtyticall father was either with her or ſhortly after came ynto her, andfſince hath ſhe had all wholy, ſuch a5 ſhe knew to be ofthe Teſuits faction: in plaine rermes affirming it, that there ſhould none of the other fide(meaning the ſecular prieſts, come to her knowledge) wittingly and willingly within her doores, Of all which with other praGtiſes in = North,as the ſecret confederacy made by that faction againſt his honor, I had intended to haue informed his Lordſhip, if the forefaid partic had not diſcloſed a letter which I ſentto inſinuate as much vnto him,and to giue him a caueat,&c, I will ſay no more here, but that thisthirdkind of coſorts or faftious heads ſet on by the Teſuits againſt the (ecular Prieſtes, are of the proud, ambitious and aſpiring minds, that hoping to clime high when theſe Realmes of E:gland, Wales and Scotland, ſal be all one Monarchiall Ile of Ietuits,they are not much to be blamed it they pleade ther cauſe and proſecute their quarrel] with tooth & naile, Thus you ſce thatthere mult needes be many ſeduced by them, and eſpecially deuout women ( poore foules) who mightily dote and runne = riot after them , Now what kind of people they are that liue {o,, and by what art and meancs theſe {editious plot-gaſters do worke it, you ſhall in the end find to your gricte, In the meane while I mult tell you this withal, that of che more graue,wile,and truly more ancient Catholickes and reli- gious ſort of both cleargie and laitie , men and women , ny! looſe daily more and more:as by their owne confeſſion the caſe 15mantelt and cleare, For whereas they fayd about athreeyeares agone , that there were but three or toure of the fadtious Priettes ( fo like lozels this Teſuiticall faction termed the {ccular Cleargie) they now acknowledge and cannot denic it ( becauſe the names ot lo many are in printed bookes for the a peale)that there are thirtic,and yet we wil find twile tnirtie moe, And for three or foure noble men and gentlemen of the laitic on ourſide (as then they ſayd we had no moe : and thoſe but of green heads and ſhallow wits God wot) we will account vnto them ſo many ſcores, And the like is for women, which daily alſo increaſe ofthe better,and graucr ſort,more

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ancient Catholike and matronlike behauior,as is manifeſt by thoſe noble Ladies,ſome ofhonor& others of worſhip born,wherat their ſaucy facti- ous Iacks ſcoftingly do enuie:to wit,that any ſuch/matchlefle matrons by any of theus ſhould modelily defend or ſpeake in behalte of their gholtly fathers : orclie very like it is that their malice doth riſe of this; that theſe (rightly to be termed herein prudent virgins ) carrying the oile of Catho- like Chriſtian charitic (which their fooliſh virgins want)about with them in their timerous and tender hearts, could not be drawn to raile and {cold with their pure ſpirited {oules, (a qualitie ſaid to be naturally proper to a woman,but yet neither proper, commendable,nor allowable to any gen-

tlewoman ot honour or worſhip borne, but aſtaine to that ſexe anda dit- ; honour to womanhood: yea and alſo to their profeſſion, it they reade or ratherheare S, Paws Epiltles read againſt women tatlers, and Goſpel- [ers vherwith he was troubled,as now the ſecular Prieſts are: )& to reuile the Ieſuits with reprochful words as their ſceming faints haue the ſecular Cleargie euerie where, Well ler it paſſe,as the number of the Seminarie and Secular fautors do increaſe on all fides,ſo queſtionlefle it will doſtil, And when thele hot holy Ladies that now fume out flames of a Iefunticall and {cditiouszeale againlt Prieſts, ſhall lay their hands a little heauier on their hearts with fea maxima cpa: they will remember what they haue ſaid and done, and thereupon be as readie not to defame (for we defire it not) bur to forſake their wicked ſeducers the Teſuits that haue ſet the on, to detract, contemne,and deſpiſe Chriſt his Catholike annointed Prieſts,

EHE VII ARTICLE. V Hether the leſmits or ſecular Priefts are or ought ſconer to be belee- wed : and why the one ſooner or rather then the other? a,

THE ANSWERE.

—_— : He ſecular Prieftes as worthier and {uperiour perſons are cuer to be yur ot rh sS AOA- ES ; . . - . . es: 1+ —— AP credited and preterred before the Ieſuites in matters of any account, Tra T's kno NC! hs eith % 4

_—_ pertaining tothe Church or Common-wealth. Firſt, becaule the fe- rc i! 3 Y % V\ 11 . . . . bt 1 ruple of ma Cular prieſts repreſent in themſelues the whole eccefiaſticalſtatewyhich as

ny Call "1,3 a prime branch ofa Common-wealth,is euer one andthe firſt ofthe two, lc hearreicou- (Called States eccleſtiaſticall and temporall,or the ſpiritual and temporal

—_— 0: ludiected ynder eueric Chriſtian Prince and King Monarchial through- woncr then they OUT the world, Secondly,for that the lawes of this land(concurring herein Neu dot with the Popes canons and { r/rs codes) a ſecular Prieſt his word is ac- holy farher, or Ceptced of in counteruaile of ewelue other witneſſes, wheras I doubt whe- —_— = on Er any or all the Iefuirs words,yea or othes that are in England this day > falſe wegoltion wil be 2cceptedof forthe value of aſtraw by any that knows thE:they are

-hat anv auchort-

ei lawful or {O fraudulent & full of cquiuocations and doublines, Thirdly,in the mat-

enlawfullinfcror orſ uperiorwirh: ut diFerenc2)heing once obt amed,ought tobe obeyed,& by conſequent that none may come ro confeſſion, &c.to a ſecular Prieſt, becauſe (fogſoorh)an hereticall(in rhis point) Ieſwr ſaith ſo,being in very &ccd themſelues with their Archoresbvitery in that danger offuſpenſion, excommunication , and Gods cnrſe by their »icked courſes , which they would caſt over to the ſecular Cleargtie in ſhew of the people, not caring what damnable * 1re they linein,fo as the blinded with their errours do not Kaow it.

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ters here in queſtion, the ſecular Prieſts ſpeake not in their owne defence alone, but defend the whole ecclefiaſticall,yea and temporall Rate,again(t theſe Icſuiticall inuaders, corrupters, and vſurpers of both authorines. Fourthly, it is not a more common then true rule, receiued of all perſons, degrees,and orders,cither Chriſtian or Heathen, andin and by all lawes, nations, and ages ratified, confirmed and verified,that bonw quo commu- n1z eo melt:z;;bur ſecular prieſthood(not Teſuitical ſocietics)extends it felt our all eſtates,perſons and places; being rightly called Scculars, becauſe they haue the cure and charge offoules Bud on their backes , to direRt all that live m a ſecular, worldly or temporal (tate, in mattcrs of con{cicnce & foulec affaires as chriſtian directories to al humane or moral actions,wher- in yertue or Vice, impictie or holinefſe, good or bad may be included, For which cauſe when the Apoſtle had commanded all with obeadtte prepoſitts veſtri5,c>c.he gaue a reaſon with a gta ipſt dabrunt rations pro animabits ve- ſpris coram Deo : As much to ſay,as neither father, mother, ſiſter; brother, - or dcearelt friend : neither Prince, Pecre, Lord, Ladic, Maifter or Millris: ncither Abbot,Prior,Canon,Regular, Monke, Frier, Icfuit, Hermit,orAn- chorite: ncither anie other perſon or perſons can or ſhall be admitted to giuc an account before God atthe latter day on your behalte concerning your {oules affaires whiles you liuedfecularly in this yale of tears, fauc only thoſe appointed ouer youto take this cure and charge vyponthem , For which cauſe they are alſo called Curatcs and Paſtors,&c,Fiftly,the Teſui- ticall ſocictic, although the order he approued by the Pope his Holines, & therfore it is to be honored of all good Catholickes,8& they that liue jn it agreeing to their firſt inſtituti6, profeſſion & calling,are therfore allo to be reucrenced (if any ſuch be now to be found among! them:) yet being in the belt ſenſe and conftrution themſelues can make otit, a priuate peculiar corporation oran order, not common but proper, and therefore mult necdes reſpect their owne ſfocietic moli({yca grant them herein their principle to be tollerable, 7 ordine ad Denm)it tolloweth then by neceſſa- ry ſequell, that all that are not Teſuits,ſhould follow, belceue,credite,truil to, and defend the ſecular Prieſts, as a common corporation 111 the weale publicke with them,& not thoſe that cuen in their Oydine ad Denm mu and will carue for themſclues firſt, and leaue to their fautours , and Igno- rant fauorites,the off-fals,ſcumme or refuſe oftheir commodities.

I mictht here adde a new corolarie of another kind,in cor.Frmation of the credit, rcſpeR and cſteemthar all ſecular Priefis ſhould and may euen de inre & ex merito > condigno,chalenge to themſclucs of the Cath, lait before any Tcſuit whoſoeuer, As hrft.for that notwithRand 11g theſe ſedt- tious & mot miſchteuous men haue beſpattered with amoſt dargerous Ganorene,the whole bodic miſticall of Chriſt(vhich vnleſle it be ſearcd vp with hot irons here in Englad,wil never come at Rome to be ſoundly curcd,ithath ſo ycnimoully infected al fleſh)they furthermore, have molt

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malicioully inflamed ſo many both men, women and childrens hearts with inſulting pride,deepe difdaine,and ſuch vehement furic,outrage and

malice againlt ſecular Prieſts, as the ynnaturall heate of their curſedzeale hath palt already gradwm ad ofto,and paſle it any further, it is rwentie to one it will paſle extra ſpheram atuntarrs, and fall into tearmes of Apolta- cic:yet {pight ofthe diucl & al Teſuitical Arheiſme,the ſecular Prielts haue bin reucrencedere cuer /gnatins Zowolathe Spaniſh ſouldier and firlt foun- der of the Teſuits order was borne:they are at this preſent in the middelt of theſe new mailters throughout all Europe,and they will be when not one Icſuit ſhal be left aliue in the world(vnleſle they amend their manners and reforme theirwrder) but all damned for heretickes, or thruſt out of Gods Church as Apoſtatacs and Atheiſts, I ſay the ſecular Prieſtes haue bin, arc, & \wil be after al this theſe indiſcreetmifled Catholikes,ancient,molt louing and faithfull ghoſtly fathers, Who(all guſts, gallings,infamies,con- tempts,landers,iniuries,wrongs,& other points of vnkindnes ſet afide)do & wil loue them til ynfaincdly:pray hartily for them day and night,& are, and will be ready to offer thcir worne out bodies in priſon and abroadc for confirmation ofthem in the Catholike faith, when theſe elated Phari- fics ſhall be farre to ſeeke, ; | And further,]I putthis tora ſecond point, which the Catholicke Laitie may pleaſe to conſider ypon , thar {tt power of Prieſthood is called in queſtion by thele new religious Scribes and Pharitcs : of whom it is not more ftrange to heare into what credit they are growne with the people, eſpecially women,then to vuderſtand into what obloquie, contempt and diſgrace the ſecular priefthood of Chriſt is brought by their hypocrifie to the worldes eye, inalluring the peoples hearts from their aunctentrrue triends and fpirituall fathers,and by their faftious oppolition againl vs, neuer ceaiing to calumniateflander and defame all men molt inturiouſly, falfly and perfidiouſly,by their treacherous proiects and treaſonable pra-. ctiſcs: nor leauing ofto inſult, triumph and ryrannize, fir over ſecular Pricfts,and then ouer all others that are not profeſſed Icfuits,molt proud- ly, maliciouſly and difdaintully, As thefe things neede not ſecme ftrange, / muchlefle incrediblc,and leaſt of all other impoſſible) becauſe their an- refiynancs or torefathers,T meane the Scribes and Pharifes in our Sautor Chrilt his tine ) diſcountcnanced pricſthood with like pretexts to thele:

and were growne to as great admiration with the people then,as theſe -

1ew Tſuimcall Scribes arenon :wwitneſſe Zofephreswitneſle all aiitiquities, witndſe Chrilt himfclfe, who with greatzeale did caſt thoſe ictting 1g- 2lcrs out of the temple of 7-r+/a/:,, So the no Catholike being fo 1gno- rant, ſimple;or afteftionatc, but knows & mult needs confeſſe,that pricſt- ood is the chicfeſt hold,ſtand & (tay for them to build ypon:it folloxweth that they mult either renounce the Cath, Churches authority in crediting theſe falſe hearted, feditious & erronious Iefuits , or els renounce the ſayd

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Icſuitical dotrine& credite the ſecular cleargy & Chriſts church herein, THE VIII, ARTICLE, |

Hether ever any Jeſuit hane Apoſtataed from his faith , and fallen

VV:. of the Catholicke Church or no, and if there haue , whether any ſuch hane ener returned or bene reconciled againe or not ? \ |

THE ANSWERE, |

Ay ask whether any of them dottand firme,and remaine found and

liuc conformable to the firſt inſtitution of their order or no,confhde-

ring that euen thoſe who otherwile are of good diſpoſition, and haue ma-

ny lignes of grace in them:yet being bur ot ſhallow wits, firmple conceits,

& meane iudgement for caſting of plots orſtatizing, they mult filly ſoules

be imployed as practitioners in another kind, towit, to win afteGtions

' ynto them, and admiration to be had of themn, either by a vowed filence,

Dua ſIntts ſi tacuerit pro ſapiente Þ cps”. orelic by rules giuen them,

what they may ſpeake, and not paſle thoſe limits aſſigned them: or other-

wiſe to employ themlclues as they find euery one fitteſt and beſt agree-

ing to fcede humorilts with phantaſticall conceits , Which points it any

either make ſcruple of, yea or thinke it notmeritorious for obedience

ſake,or otherwile,do not manage it hanſomely, he is ſure to be thrult out

for a reprobate,or ſome euill end to come to hum one way or other,

But now for heretikes and Apoſtataes,T haue faid enough inthe former Quodlibets , that there are many of them fallen alreadie out of Gods church without eucr returne againe, and fo they do daily, and queſtion- leſfe ſo they will do (till : there being no more certaintie nor aflurance of theirſtand then of any other, either ſecular, or religious perſon, nor in very decd ſo much/as they now liue)becauſe they haue made religion, but an art of ſuch as liue by their wits,and(as I faid before)a yery hotch potch of omnium gutherum,religionsſecular,cleargicall laicall,eccleſiaſtical monaſtt- call,prrituall,gemp orall,artiall,cum lt, economical, polutcall, tberall, mecha- nicall, municipiall, irregular, and all without order , And howſoeuer they brag,band and boaſt oftneir familiaritie with God, their rare and ſpecial indovments for guiding and gouernement of ſoules more then ſecular Priclts haue(whom Catholickes arc admoutſhed to take heed of,and be- ware of all Prieſts in generall,that are not cither Icſuires or guided by Ie-

ſuites in all things ) their high contempt of Prietthood, their fanaticall E

dreams ofextraordinary infpirations,inſuſiations,illuminations(or terme © them incantations, or whatyou lift,for all is larke nought ) yet will they neuer or hardly be able to recouerthat credite they haue loſt through- out all Chriſtendome by theſe arrogant vaunts of their holineſle,

And as forthe laſt point , whether any ofthem haue returned againe to Gods Church after theirlapſe orno :. another queſtion might be made whether they haue not brewed a new herefie in a greene fultte veſſell, or brochedan old, raiſed yp ab orco out of arotten flinking

44 2 u0dlibets | cakean maintaining ltin Precitc rermes as they haue,viz:that after aman

b,

i» fallen our ofthe Catholick Church, although he returne again & be re- coiled to outward ſhew:yet is he ſtill an Apoltata,& fo to be accounted {or cucr after,& neuerto be admitrecl of into the Church of God,to beare any authoritic,or to be preferred to any eccleſiaſticall dignitic , as one of God forſaken,& mpofſible for ſuch cuer to recouer their former grace,8& (tand againe, Infomuch as hereby you may note,thart if F, Perer had come vndera lefuits cenſure(as he did vnderhis mercitull Lord & Maſter Iefus after has relapſe with thriſe denial & forſweariug of him)he ſhold neuer to death haue bene head of rhe Church afterward, no nor cucr numbred a- mongit the twclue Apoltles: noryet iudged worthie to haue bene one of the ſeuen Deacons equals : but well,if he had recouered the name of one ofthe ſeuentie Diſciples among[ttheſe ſharp cenſurers ofall men , And

this 1s the cauſe why it hath icemed fo rare amongelt the ignorant

Y::e ir ne: this People to heare of a Tefunts fall out ofthe church, Nay whoſocuerſhould «hiſtories, C10- jay {0,0r yet that a Teſuit could fal or erre,or miſgoucrn himſelf or others,

91c Ics,ant1quities

* datyexamzlcs Or doany thing amiſle,youſhall haue ayong Ieluiteſſe ready toflie in his make it manitit face,to Calt the houſe out at the window where ſhe ſtands, and better had

*+Har there 1s no

er:-o:{1gr. ſe,no It bene for ſuch an infamous detraftor(forſooth\to hauc gonc an hundred

(ec (0 abturd, 0 miles on his bate feer, then euer to haue ſpoken ſuch a word,as being ſure

mou,noxrchbro- tO be accounted of as a ſpie,an hererick,or atleaſt an vnſound Catholike, Kerot any M\1C- 1rrainted in his good name eucr after:for who can faltC tuch aſlander vP-

tic, fobaſc, but

bh h:4 and on theſe new een ney haue ſuch cogging ſhifts with them,and 10 IT COT} Au 111. wy - . . Nell GINARGE 08 many otthem-as that (amogſt others)if any going vnder the name ofa Te-

ons of folow ers,

yea & arthe $1lt tut chance to fall,then it ſhall be giuen out thathe was a Seminaricor ſe-

% ® Yetore they -

K . . . _ i * o , V . aſcouered) orig CUlar Prielt , andquite diſcarded from the ſocictic , Tfit be ſo manifeſt very wiſe,bleiiedy ag it cannot be denied, but he was a Iefuit indecede: then ſhall he either be 211] PEOTNRADS ICAL» . . © . 2 =

gotten 1n andreconciled avaine,and fo ſecretly conucicd out ofthe land,

ne }mengto folow 54 fatior and defend

fzuor and deten/ gr elſe the matter huſhed vp in hucker mucker,ſo as ir ſhall ncuer be afte1 1 1otd-orherwile Ipoken ofztoryou knowa wonder Jaſteth but nine daies,and then its for- hauc rough it, YOEten, (eſpecially if no reckoning be made of it ) as though it had neuer any found Ca- bene, mole me Andthis Machiuilian trick they haue by meancs of their [pials & intel- verrwon%, thould gents 1m every country,court and corner, that ſo ſoone as cuerany mil- M1 hap Cothhappeto any one, they preſently being certified therof ſet down teſ- phanſacall the concluhon + whether ſuch a partic his fall br other cuill demeanure, mar as R arter to be blazed abroade or fmoothered vp, or in what ſort it may wekie,ncither Y be handled to their moſt aduantage, and accordingly hereunto, ifhe be -- or al one of theirs,and that the tat cannot be concealed,then to giue it out as Caull, @ trifle, [1ght matrer,or thing of nothing : or clfe thatthe partie was one long agone rejected and neuer accounted of amonglt them, but yet ler alone,torthat they knew what end he would make before hand,&c, And tothe ſpeech going abroade amongſt Catholickes , as ſent firſt fromthe

fathcrs,

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fathers, there 15 litle or no talke ofit, as not worthic of anie memorie or no- _ tice : and ſuchin a fort was Maiſter Y/74ghrs caſe, though to their ſhame he hath proued betterthen anie of them as yet haue proucd : and farre better fince he hath conſorted himlelfe to liue as other Prieſtcs did, then when at the firſt he had a ſmacke of their ſingularitie in his proceedings. But letit be of anic Seminarie or {ſecular Prieſt, and then allche belles in the Towne , nay inthe wholeRealme muſtring of it : nay ſeaand land muſt Dc courled andcanuaſled with their letters, poltes and meflengers , inthe paſle and revaſle out of England into Fraxnce, and trom Fraxunce to Flaunaers , and rhence mto [tzly , Germanme, Rome, $ paine , Poy- tegall and Jeruſalem, to blaze it abroade of the weakenelle , - looſe- neſle, ſ{candale, badde and corrupt life of all Seminaties and ſecular Prieltes in generall : and how yah they are co come into £22/414, or for any ofthemto take the charge of ſoules vpon them, tor one mans of- * fence or miſcariage, And he ynhappie man, whole life, death & goodname, for cuer after mult hang in the blaſt of their mouths,though he repent with S. Peter , or recant with S. 1arcelline, yet (hall his firlt tault be laid in his dith eucr after, with Phariſaicallvpbraiging of him whenſocuer occaſion is offered of a tnalitious reuenge to betaken. Nay what is more common with thele preciſe pure illuminates , then thus to cenfure of the molt conſtant Martyrs and Confefours(if not wholy Iefuired ) of this age? Who though they neuer could be touched with any act, word orthought of reuolt from Gods Church, or (tepping any whit arwrie : yetthelſe diuclliſh ſpirites of a Luciferian pride and conceit of their owne proper excellencie , will touch them corhe quicke with thele ſpeeches : / pray God he may ſtana,he 1s bit 4 weahe man, ſuch a father had bene fitter then he to haue managed ſuch a mat- Fer, CC |

FRE IK. ARTICLE.

\/ Hether tn regard of the premiſes , if the Teſmitkbe /nich withed

men , and ſo farre gone aſtray from the firſt preſcripnxgd mſtuunon of their order us there any likelihood of their continuance: or if not they of whai Aownefall? | : | THE ANSWERE.

_ you before that Nulium wviolenturn eft perpeturm - ( which isto be #nderltood of all humane and naturall cauſes, acts and motion: : and that ſome of the Icluirsthemſelues haue preſaged (if not prophelied) by manic fearctull fgnes , a heauic deliruſtion, ruine and downefall ro come ynto their ſocictie, by reaſon of the great pride, infolencie, hcate of ambition, and vaquenchable thirſt , in affedting of ſoucraigntic which raigneth a- mongltthem, But whart fall it isthey ſhallhaue, or where or when ic will happen,God he knowerh: as for me, Nox ſir Propheta,nec filing Prophe-

te neither wiſh I cobe:but ſhal cculyratherbewaile to ſee the oem of their hard fortune, that men of ſo many goodtalents, worthie parts, logular a- bilicies, and rare indowrments(as ſundric of chem have)thould be bewirched x5 they are,and as men inuolued in laberinths oferrours, drowne themſelues 11 the Stigean lake of their owne folly, Well, Sa/omon was wiler,morelear- ned,of better gouernment, fitter to rule, had a more peculiar gitrand orace in all things, and more often ſecreter and nearer familiaritie with God then cuerany of them had tothis houre here on earth, and yet he became a pro- phane Idolater. And therefore howlocuerthe Machiuilian or rather Mahu- merane-like taCtio, giue it out that zr hath binrenealed vato their fouder how miphtuly his ſoczerte ſhould be imprgned,but ſtill ſhall prenade,&c.(whereotT waill{peake hereatter) yer am I rather moued to embrace the common opi- nion, [cil: chat their end will be a right Temp/arian downefall, which for to make ſeeme probable ( becauſe I am {till in euery Quodlibet forced to be too tedious) I will reteerre you for this matrer to a peculiar worke which I | hane taken ſome paines about in comparing firſt the Templars and the Ie- frets together:then the Ieſuits and Machmell:after that, Cardinall olſey and father Parſons:and laſt of allthe comtemplatines of the ſaid Parſons in Green- coate to the allies of the ſame man m his prathiſed Doleman for a Monarchy, In which booke(it it happen to come torch) you {hall ſee how all ambitions a(pirers haue riſen yp at the firlt and by what meanes : how baſe perſons have attained ro higheft dignities; how a man may inſ;nuate himſelfe ro be. come great, famous and admired at, and what is required to make fortune (as thsy ſay) a mansfriend : Inthe meaneſpace ler ic ſufhiſe that the eſuirs are and ſhall be well. warned{and theretore ſurely armed it chey haue grace to accept of ito look to themiſeluesand alter theircourte in timegleſt they be taken napping at ynwares as the Templars were.

EHE X, ARS31S&LE. WXz ar danger to Gods Church to erre , and utterly to be oner-

throwne by the eſwts rume (if it happen) or no danger at all? THE ANSWERE.

© dangerat all of cithererrour, or any ouerthrow, hurt , or inconne-

1 nience to come tothe Church, yeaorto the lealt member thereof b their outcalt:bur rather in verie deedea greater ſecuritieto allto haue ſuch infectious poiſon burſt, and {tmking weedes rooted out, that the goodand | bad donor periſh altogether by their abode amongſt vs. Sothat amongſt

many other fables of their tolly (or rather of the ignorant multitudes foll ſeduced by them) this is one : to bearepeopleinhand, that theſe gallants (courtly rabbies , chill warrant you intheir coaches ) haue ſuch a ſpeciall charge , care, and authoritie cornmitted ynto them,of and ouer the whole Corhelicke Church,that faile they, or be they once expelled and thruſt out of

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of England, all pietie, devotion, Chriltian diſcipline and religion,wiltpre- nefore ever anie ſcntly quaile , periſh and play turne Turke into Atheiſme. Thus ſaid they — — before and ar their expullion(tor high ereafon)our of France: but yer they conſpiracies n

proued falle Prophets , Gods Church hauing flouriſhed more lince their _ TEE exile thencegthen euer it did whiles they were among[t thE,Nay what have Realme, & ro ſow they ſaid more and auerd, auouched, and confirmed the fame by w ritings, _ ry Fog pu preachings and other paſſages,all their endeuours tending to this end?for- contenivnamon.

{ooth they haue not bene ſerupulousto afhrme,thar he could not be a ſound 571th Met Cacholicke;/and therefore father Parſons in Philopateris bold to call great fort,and trulyCa- Henry the now molt Chriltian King of France, averie reprobate and one ar yores impolhble ro be a ſound Catholicke ; nor yerthe whole Realme of France **4 to one ano- cuct ſoundly ro be conuerted,and {o of others)that ſhould anie way diſlike rome r- 444 of the Icſuirs proceeCings againlt Ang/and. But for any directly to oppoſe i 4 hole veare, himſclfe againſt choſe mensholy dehgnements, as ſundrie Catholickes did in F-.ce : mary firthat wete matter enoughto make him burne at a ſiake, & the like it were to impogne the king of Sparze,or Archduches his dauph- ters pretended tit): to the Engliſh Crown. Nay which is a molt odious and lothlome breath of bloudie broiles , garboiles and cruelties threatnedto all Nations by theſe A/ci/miſts ( for what are they all fay ſome that know them, but maſſacring butcherly buyers and ſellers of their deare coumtie- mens bloud?) they go about buſily to perſwade ſuch a reciprocation to be berwixtthe King Catholicke of Spaine, and the faith Catholicke of R ome, that as recall relations the latter relatiue cannot be without his former corre latiue, which mult giue himhis being and efſence in nature, Inſomuch as it is become a point of neceſſitie,or (asthey abſurdly and heretically would make men belecue )athirteenth Article of our faith : that either all Catho- licke Chriſtians muſt endeuour to put 21] Exrope intoa Spaniards hands: or otherwiſe that the Catholicke religion willbe vtterly extinguiſhed Kare riſh, and ſo by conſequentali runne Hylteron Protheron, a milne horſe, a K'ng Pope,aCurch Spamard, and the faith of S, Peter and his ſucceflours mult hang vpon the monarchie of fng Philip and his heires. And how lop forſoorh? Mary euen {olong as the Icſuits [hallpleaſe ; whichis vntillthe may be ablz to pullhimand all other Princes downe from theirthrones b cauling popular rebel!ions,as hereafter ſhall be proued, Well, well, thele fellowes mult be talked withallintime, and madeto know themfſelues and their groflc errouts 3 oainl(t al diuinitie,philoſophic,policie,pieric and order, . Meane while we leauethem to chop logicke in barbariſme , and feede their chimerica!l.conccits with Relatives of Exs ratioazs, or rather £5 tnſenſibile enſatum irroalegufutuatum , film, and lopaſle on tothe nexc point of plot-caſting by Fame and Report of the ynworthie heroicall, macchleſſe,

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THE ARGVMENT FOR

THE THIRD GENERALL '_ _ QVODLIBET,

Nenaile'drines in another, the firſt partie prouokes a reioynder by a ſecond encoun-

ter : and vpon occation of plots caſt by doftrine principles, rules and obſcruations ot pratule , deth necellarily follow a Quodlibet of new plots caſt by Fame and Report,and Tow the leſtuts come to be enriched, honoured, andregarded , with preferments abouc :cirdeſerts by that meancs.

THE THIRD GENERALL QVOD- liber of plots by Fame and Reporr,

THE 1, ARTICLE.

Hether the Teſwits or any other relio40:45 order be to be preferred ; / \/ 56 ſecular Prieſts or not , or (1f not ) whether the ſaid Ieſmits are to be preferred before all other naonaſ}icall or yel:g10us orders:

or which and how many are before themÞI? THE ANSWERE,

T' is neucr enough to be admircd at , that religious men being by yow and profeſſion dead and buried to the world, {ſhould beblinded with a Sore kere a ſim CONCEIt : that they can poſſibly ſul + Jemel CF ſub vno © codem ſubietto, ple cocer of g00% He deadzand aliue,mortified and made lively : yea,and that fþiritze & carne

tather Gerard ,to0 | . ne - $11 | inferre a lefuirs firand, (for to be morrificatos quidem carne vinficatos autemn ſþritn,isno lefle

placerobe avi rtheneucry Chriſtian Catholicke may and ſhould be )& to be wholy ſeque-

aiccularPricites,

becauſe forſnorh, ſtrate from the world in body and mind,and yer withal!,al wholy,fubſtan- anoldQueen M1: tially & actually plodding in it, with bodice and ſoule ouer head & eares, Yet

tel) hi aa te {(-ene we mult beleege that ſuch is the Teſuirsrare calling and ftate,that forſooth region men®'2 ehey are wholy dead and who!y alive,abſolute ſpiritual men,andyet meere at Tav!e, Well worldlings ,which if they can make good and go through with it, Ifay tis PoE ici "* a greater miracleto ſpeak ad homune ( for in relpeR of Gods omniporencie |

char, being other» qmiracles admit not m4iz & mines ) then to raiſe a rriduane Lazar from

| wiſepfagoodna- 4 oe againe, yea onely to the patible and withal!, impatible body of

eure, he 15 much x co . pindes and ©7- Our Saviour Chrilt was this priuiledge left as a prerogatiue royal! reſerned

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iaga leimi which ; CS focieue would God he did and would forf. 2ke,confidering how it is now corrupred)as any one amongſt them, But for Mis author Gol wot many Prieſts & other men & women were and are too ſubmiſſive at ſomtimes to theit infetiors, & thouzh in cor:efie a religious perſon (as a ſtranger be placed aboue a prieſt 2s an ordinarie gueſt os fiiend,or in his vine houſe which is ciuilicze foro do)yer itis roway of due,right,nor ever was fo taker

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of Reli7108 and State. 40 alue, And this only by reaſon of the hypoſtaſis or hypoſtaticall vnion of his deitie to his humanity, By meanes whereof (re{traming, infringing and hol- ding in, the impregnable force ofthe ficlt in the time of his bitter death and pation, for otherwiſe he could not haueſuftered : in ſpeech of miracles, we {2y it was more miraculous, becauſe more {ceming impoltible, how that c- uer he could ſufter death, then for himtorifc from death to life againe: tuf- fering the ſame power diuine,to baue his yer limited force againe,atter that fearctullandlalt gaſpein giuing vp his blefſed gholt yponthe croſle Jit fol- lowed thatthe {ame reaiired bodie ,or totum compeſitum Chrilt himſelte was both dead and buried, and yet the ſame Chriit alue both in ſoule de- ſccnding into hell vntouched,andallo in body lying three dayes and nights in js craue,and yet not corrupted as powerz2bly preferued per roncomman- tam dinintates, fo as no corruption of mans mortality could then take place: And therefore the Teſuits ſtriving for a ſuperiority aboue teculars, would go an ace aboue both their and our Lordand maiſter Ictus ( the cir- cumltances conſidered ) inthistheir miraculous. working of wonders in them(elues by their ſpirituall ceath and temporal! reſurrection.

O/this matter lhaue written a peculiar Treatiſe, whichis oneofthe x0. volumes or bookes I meaneto ſet out againſt theſe new malters the Ieluits, and their (eſpecially farher Par/on1} errors,astime, place,approbation,and other occaſions ſhall permit, perlwade, & allow-me, wherciv I haue made an hiſtoritall diſcourſe or chronicle of the conucrfion of all countries to the Chciſtan faith, the beginning, progreſſe, end and fall ( of fuch and lo many aSare gone) ot euery religious order, as well of the Baſilans, Aztonans,and other amonglithe Greekes,as of the Benectrns, Angrſties, Franci/cans,Goc. amongltthe Latms.Whichare firlt in place, eaking of one the other(tor ne- uer 0:d any rel:gious p: rfon buta Teſuir,ſecke,acceprt,or looke tor any place before a ſecular Prieit ) & how they follow in order according to the time of their originallintixurion,and beginning one after another . Of all which approucd, confirmed and allowed of orders,ſecing the Ieſuit is the laft, & by conſequece inferior to allother beforeit: then doth it neceſſarily tollow that their lociery or any of th6, ought lealt of any other to incroch ypon le- cular Priefis.or the ſtate EccleGaitical inplace taking or expectation of any honour or prefe:iment before the lecular Cleargy to be due ynto them, And this might leemeto {erueforthar matter, oy

But now becauie their infolency hercin is intollerablc,& their augacious boldnefſic, maruellous extreame in contempt both of Princes 3nc Priclis(2, diftinct digaities which intitlethe inveſted withthem, with a preheminence abouc all other perſons, ſoas they may nor be ſpoken of with contempt, nor touched with violence, becauſe both annointed : and further tor al- much as theſe holy fathers not knowing how tovſc honor when they had it withour deſert, and,therby ouerweighingly valuing their owne worth at too hiv) a rate, in the erronious opinion of their excellency have fallen into

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Here may bee !l remebred a mer- ry icit of a Gen- . tlewoman in Fet- ter-l-ne, whotal- Ing of One Mate iter Edward Coffin (-a forry fellow god. wot,but who 1; ſo old as blind Bryrd, and none more arrogant 11 place toky g then this purge father) aPriclt gone then ouer to be a le- lutt:ycaquoth the 15 hc gone, now tru:y then 1 ſte he will fecketoa ſtate of more pcr- tection. Well ver pure Lagy by her leave, this (thogh a Icluiticall fond pertwaſion) was quire COntrary COP : folcmac prote- {tatton made by a chicte father at Rome, jn excule of inticing theEn+ £:th youths, who faid that :f bee were to chule a [tate of perte&io: he would fooncr chule to. 20 as a Seminary " Prieft mo England, the © Enter into, of be of the ſtri&elt orcer ot rcloion Vv atlucucr,

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preſumpruous compariſons, withboth Prince and Prieſt as fiered inthe

ainbicious mounts of Phaeton Chariot , by contempt of all Ecclehfalticall and monallicalltate, together with Monkes,Friers, Hermits, Cannons,Re- oular,tecular Prielts, Doctors, Sorbonilis, & other teachers,yea the very or» ders of all Vn.uerſuics, which are not ynder them : the gouernernent of all Princes that will not be ruled by them , the eſtate of a!l Nobles & Gentles of both lexes,that will not follow them,andthe publike affaires of all com-

mon-wealths and kingdomes,that will not yeeid rhem ſome ſpeciall & pe-

culiar , publike or private gaine and commociti* ( iuſt Templar-likein all things ) and of all other rartersbut eſpecially in tits point of ſuperiority. Therfore you ſhall hearc how they giue a realon ot their ambitious aſpires. They {ay torfooth they ure the choſen( what? Puricanes if any thing) lum:- mates : who for a/much FY they haue a more neare f. mutarty with God.a more [pecrali grace and prerogariue Tues; them . for Tonernement , and WEDT4 of fortles : ind un all things a degree of perfettion aboxe all other perſons, be they {ecrlar or religzons. Herenpon ut 15 { lay they ) that the honor point of ſuperio- rily in place-taking, Cc. 15 gitten to them ex mito & condigno. Which al-

ſertion if it were true, then were the ſequel rollerable.But becauſe the ti-

tles of honourare deriued from God to man by participation of the divine attributes, whercof mercy and juſtice being the chiefe, the formerappliedto Chriſt his eternall Prieſthood, the latter to his Regall power: thereforcis ir, thatit a Teſuit or any other perſon had as neare, great, extraordinary, and

often inward ſpeech,conterence and familiarity with God, aseuer hadthe Seraphicall Francis a more blefled Saint, and in a higher place in heauen,as I verily belecue, then any Icluit is as yet, orlike to be hereafter , or as had blefled.Saint ALery Ag dalen,or Saint Katherine of Sexe , or {undry other blefled Saints: yer were he never co be compared with the meaneſt Catho- like Prieſt chat les on earth : It he go to compariſons of nearnefſle and fa- milizrity with God, pert«Ction of (tate, honour, eficeme and regardto be had oithe perſon,and the like arrogant fpeeches which the Ieſuits vſein ar- rogating that vnto them , which none that loves them bur will bluſhro thinke oftheir extreame pride and yaine glory grofly ſhewed therein.

Here I willceilyou of one thing whicit I have obſerucd , and oftenno- tc d,e\pecially fince theſe broiles 2g ro be note betwixt the ſecular Priefis 2ad the Ieluits , Hauiog conuerſed and at Jundryrimes bene 1n company with diverſe forts of peop!:,of Nobles,Gentles,and otlicr meaner perions, { neuer yet (toſpeake in generall termes)) came in aty place,but the inore honorable or generous bloud the party, Lord or Lady, maifter or milicefle was(and that whether Catholike,Schiſmatike orProteltant,thoughina dif- ferent, manner and reſpect hadin them ) the morerevereat regard hadthey alwayes of Prieſts,and vicd them with more peculiar eftceme, And againe, the baſcr, meaner, more rude, vnciuill, and low birth the parties were of, the lefle refpectthey had to any Priclt,Cleargy,fcholler,or other perſon o

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qualitie, Many ſuch meanepertons,or bur Gentlemen vntrial, having made

1e of;& remember old P;zzy the Inkeeper ot Brod way in Sonuneriettiure,

who would alwaics have taken the highelt place at the vppcr end ot the ta-

br, wwholocurcr bad bene his gueſt : which though in forme torr his 61d age,

aid ocher circumſtances migir: excuſe him, yet is the contrary Coutc com : mcnded,ind amonglt ciuill Gentlemen, yea and Nob!cs generally more 337107 mean vied,vr,to place their gueltzas ftrangersand their friends)in thetr own for a5 the Nor'l houſe attable before them, vnleſſe they be farre their inferiours . And pay po ths once being in companie where were toure ſecular Pricttes at tupper vor Ry with a Noble perſon, a Lord of high renowne , I noted that his Lord- = of ecetiivm. {hip would notfit downe yntill they all were ſet and placed betore him, Myyevandot er cough it was nor their place , no notinhisowne houlc, ſo high ro be tne. clpecially cxalred , but fuch was his Noble mind, merily iefting it out with ?' nong'y ns theſe words, [low he had heed and ſeene.tt that Prieſts and women , had all tor to give good the prevennnences mthe land of peace, andeſpecially the firſt tn the Church TW Py res aboue Princes 5 and both at the table abone all others their otherwiſe equals : tus or her inferr- hot that 1a the field of war( aptames,(, oronels & honorable ſouldiers went be= 9. eye

fore them, But now that a religious man, in reſpect that he is a religious ro itriue for the s p | f | fh Js | laſt or rſt word, 11411, ſhould haue orlooke fora place of honour or preheminence a- ,, el king

twongtt men, hauing by ſolemne vow renounced all carthly honours and amog(t not wuch O rnequals, but r2-

dignities, quice abandoned the company ofa!l perſons , where ſtates of qc wie; ar

honour or place-taking is of due right reſpe&ed: and wholly confined their rudenefle, | D that will not eme

chemſelues to a priuate Cell, Cloitter or Monaſteric, there to be oCCu- jr them. Yer when picd onely with their bookes and beades: for them to looke for places *< honour. of the

y ; : Mop perſon doth con- 25 the Icluites do , it was neucr heard of before this day : religious per- cerne not himſelf

. ; Wa) = ; a I, : ſons hauing no place indecde at all abroad in the world, becauſe they Pur me Prace 0:

haue,orſhould have, quite forſaken the world,and only inchree times of then 5 reſident . wa ' . . * ” o , ” | , [ 4 (& publike afſemdlies, or aftaires, they participate with the world , and yer pre) _—

therein with the Eccleftaltica)l or ſecular onely, not with the remporall ns ſriegd5,or whe * 4 . » *. 2 ric nour r ſtatewwhereunto the Teſuits arenfore neare incorporate by conuerfation ,,,q;p deuelu-

practiſe & popular lite,then ſecular Prieſtsthemſclues are : one is in time ted vnro him by

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of tolemne proceſ5ions,at which it hath bin noted that the Teſuits wil fel> couectarion, an-

dome or neuer come, becauſe fay ſome who call them Thearts , they penn alling, 1s co:

, | ned or not AC» knowledged.then is jt a daſtardly part,anda great iniuty offered by that Prie ?,or other perſon to his orde r,houſe,office or calling , thatjha'!l ſuffer ſach an indignityro paſſe vncontrolled, if he may helpe it, Forhereim we mult note a great

'F-rence berwixt accompanying our Saujor to Hieruſalem with Ofanna,& following him vp mount Caluary,with cru crfive,and by conſequent howſocuer we ſuffer with patience to be deieRedand Pricſthond abuſed by our aduerſarie, yet to permit euery ordinary Gentlema, or anv that 15 nota Kn ghr(,yea comming as an Apoltle , aPreſt is ſpritually Princely, and his title honorable, Bur let that paſſe if he be a Carholike,to rake place 2boue him peremptonily, he a not withour diſhonor to his Prieſthood,mary whit he is ro do 1Frheſavd Fquire or meane Gentleman, do rudehe and contemprtuonſly take vlace before h'm( as many do: )Nay who of thy leſs ſedirions faftion doth eitceme of any ſecular Prieft more then 0fany ordinary ſeraingm an,or fo mvchas of a baſe I1y brother of their ſociety)then herein and trom henceforth the matter being now called in queſtion , he is not bound ro refiſt vniillche parry may 2c made t@ Know his duty,2nd iuftice had againſt him, 'n -

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muſt rake there the lowelt place,as inferiour to other religious orders, An- otheris intime of general or prouincial Coficel, where how they haue ſhuf- {cled for place taking,is not lo openly knowne,becaule there 4s bin bue one general Councel fince their order firlt began:& then probably it being. inthe primitiues of their inltitutions they had better, lowlier,and more reli- gious ſpirits then now they haue , Marry notwithſtandiog for Prouincials : father Heywoods Councell holden in Notfolke,and father Jeſtors contenti- onin W:/bich , declares what ſpirit they have had long agone,& daily more and more do ſmell of ,in heir humility for place taking,yea, and inall other reſpeAs ofhonor, reverence andelteeme in ſuch high Courts and Councels, Thethird and laſt is in times of Biſhops viſitations : which of all things a Ie ſuir cannot endure to heare of to come among them. And whereas all 0- ther religious orders do humbly obey their Biſhops, yeld to their Simons, yea and lecke to haue vilitations made amonglithem : the Teſuits quite co- trary will acknowledge no ſuperior but the Pope only, no nor his Holineſſe neicher it he anger them . Whereupon one of their great Rabbies intime of the Biſhops viſitatio at Doway refuſed bfolutly to come at his Lordſhip v- pon ſummons or ſending for him, alleaging in plaine termes for his excuſe, that he had a ſrperwor of his owne order:that he acknowledred no obeatence due vnto his honor : and that he would know his generals will and pleaſure therein, > thea he would gine him an anſwer But when theBiſhop replied that both he and his Generall{if they liucd within his Dioceſle) ſhould acknowledge an obedience vynto him, or elſe get them both packing thence,and that he woul: lay himfaſt by the heeles it he were ſo peremptory. Then torſooth this haughty Rabby crouched & hitbled himlelfe & craucd pardo of error,

Let ao man take exceptions at this my ſpeech, orthinke it needleſſe to talke of Icfuits, Prieſts , Prelates, and Biſhops places, forſeeing E:9/axdis become wild, Prieſthood bad in contempt, religion made but a matter of Atheall pollicie zour gallants, ſwaggerers, andlulty Brutes,negleCing their duty co God and man: and a copany of new,vpftart {quibs,vnder colour of zcale, religionand bolineſle { fie tie ) rake yponthem to ouertop, Pope, Prelate, and Prieft- iris hightime, and very neceſſary as the titnes are, to put the forgetfullin mind , waac chings in times palt haue bene, hat God and his Church exacteth ac all our hands : what nath bene by pontificalland imperiall lawesinttirured, and heretotore by ſundrie ParliamencallaRtsand municipiall lawesof this land orde:ned, How by all lawes, in all nations, & amonglt all proteſfions, Prieſts,and ſuch as bare that name amongli Iewes,

Pagans and Chriſtians, of what religion ſocuer,werealwayes bad in higheſt

elteeme, ſaue onely now brought in contempt by the Jefuits, Amongſtthe eZgyptians , aPrielt was alwayes next in honour , toa Pharoas: amongſt the Caulerthe Drmies had the renowne : among{t che Brzroxs three Arch- flamines , with thirty F/ammes lupplied, the place of three Archbiſhops,& thirty Billeps throughout Zogiers ( ambre: and Albanns { now England,

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1 les,and Scotland, with other Priefts vnder them, And ſundry other Hea- then nations bad their Prieſts in ſtead of Princes, as Kings to gouerne, as P:esbiter /9hz is at this} pretent : and to this day the h'gh Courts of Parhia- ment &9/1:4 do confilt by ancient cuſtome of calling to that honorable Court of the Loris ſpirituall and temporall , vnderftood by the Lords ip1- ricuall, the Archbiſhops and Bifhops , asthe moſt ancient inveſted Barrons {and tome oftheir Earles and others Graces } of this land,and therefore al- waies ficlt in place next ynder our Soueraigne King, Queene, Emperor & Ernprefle, Lord and Lady ( forthere is no difference of ſexe in Regall Ma- iclty.) This being to, and that by thelawes Armoriall, Ciuil!,and ofarmes, a Prieſt his place in ciuill conuerfation is alwayesbetore any Eſquire,as de- There are 3. res- ing a Knights fellow by his holy orders: & the third of the three {yrs, which — = only were in requelt of old ( no Barron, Vicount, Earle nor Marqueſle ovla 1 - cher 2 being then in vie) ro wit Sir King, Sir Knight, & fr Prieſt, this word Doms- Jaw = he" 1:75 10 Latine being a nowneſubftantiue common to them all as Domms his Chaplaie = wei Rex Dominss mes loab , Dominus Sacerdos, and afterwards when _— p* "path

honors began totake their ſubordination one vncer another, and titles of p71 conrmprum, and an other in

princely dignity to be hereditarie to ſucceeding poſterity (which hapned v- thu fome were

pon he fallot the Romane Empire then Domes was in Latineappliedto but TEE —_ allnoble and generous harts , euen from the King to the meanelt Prieſt or age knowing

ce:mporall perlon of gentle bloud, coate-armor perte&,and ancetry,But Sir 'h<i owne othee

ner the laities du-

in Eg, was reſtraind to theſe foure, Si Kniht Sir Prieft, Sir Graduate, xy 229d a third in

& in common ſpeech Sz» E/quire : los alwayes fince diltintion of titles 2 mary wanr / ting patrimonics

were, Sir Prieſt was everthe ſecond, And if a Prieſtor Graduate be a Do- and meancs: to -

ctor of Diuinity or Preacher allowed, then is his place before any ordinary 7 op ar ing placeb

Knight, if higher aduanced and authori{ed, then doth his place allow him a i» applauding to Theic

conpie withefteeme to be had of him accordingly. Peng þ - er

Thus haue all lawes and legiters with great maielty , ordained a diſtin- ofreligious fal, & ction of place, regard, and elteeme to be had of cucry perſon, though Nan Pe” much neglected , through both Priettes and lay perſons faultes ; tcele {marr of be- that a decormns might be kept for ſuperioritic on earth, as itisin — ” ncauen, and in all places valeſſein heil, where res ordo ſed ſempiternus Lairy ) therein, horror 1mhabiuat : and amonglt Iefuites and Puritanes, 'who ſecke quite to alter, change and mnouate , or quite to take away all both Eccleſtalticall and temporall orders , lawes , honours, and ancient de- creesin all things . Which by ſo much the more for the honour of Prieſt- hood and learning ( wherein the firſt and chicte riſe of dignitie doth confilt, becauſe that all true honour and renowne riſcth at firſt frompens, or pikes, learning or chiualrie, Prieſthood or Knighthood, every Prieſt, Prelate, lay perſon , or other of aty talent, kaowledge or abilitic ought to detend : by how muchthe ſame is hadin contempr, either ofignorance or mallice,and may be auoided, But ineugh of this matter : now to an» otacr, 'Y |

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bv a Heir profeſſion is molt impertect, their life is molt popular, and Winch Itarc,1lt 4 ; . . . they Ig their ftare molt yalecure, and dangerous of any others in all the

earn hirtom world this day, as now they vie it . And toſpeake of pertection when it

COP Ties Fire » 4 . , 0 mong't them 1/1 was at the belt, and theretore at higheſt rate among!t chem, wherein be RE ** ſhould. cheir pertection contilt, that it ſhould be fo tarre and high in e-

all, bur 4-45 <1+ [{eeme, abouc the fame kind of pertection (vrcmngue ) in otherreligeous or- thor brijded ot :

11 Cers 2 Furlt, they do not keepe thcir houres, 1n v49:/4s m:(t:5,nfhng either at one point 07 6+ Micinipht , cocke=crow , or other extraordinaric tines, as all other reli-

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eh i molt £eous perions do , Secondly, they do not Keepe foure, nor ewo, nor one no-orioully, 2,90 Lent inthe yeare { much lefle do they talt the whole yeare through, or

1 E-JOTETAa. |rl at , . wy” - or 2 ao ? . | Me: Et alltheir whole lifetime, as ſundry do, ſome more , ſome lefle, inotherre- where) the que= [100us OrGers ) nor Vieany other kind offa(t, or ablincnce more then (Hari 1< ngeed a»

monzlt diuines Other lecular Prieftes , yea and all the whole Catholike Iaity do. whether 20 2- Thicdly , they do not continually wearc haire-cloth, go bare-footed, re-

ariudiibc traineche vie ofanylinnen and {oft bed : as many religeous , yea, almott more perteatan® all do moſt of thele things, Fourthly, they neuer vie any coritemptible (cake ofattue apparell, or other meanes to occaſionatea contempt tobe hadof them- ny cOnm__ , clues 1n their owne naked hearts : more then any other Ecclefiaſticall

.cipet the or temporall perlon doth, Fiftly, they imbrace no pouertie more then chirch, the one |

ne 92% any, andnot lomuch as many rel;ycous orders do: For who hath halfe call the othe; that wealth that the Tefuites haue , which they will get by hooke or by

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ae w Got beltarke madde tohauc thor houtes {taind with the name of Monaſtical! no:cnecretor places, as other religious orders are : but haue ſcope to go and live where

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of $.int Mere and how they lift, as much as (tudents have in any Vnuuerſitie in Chri- 7 COND” tendome, andfarre morethenthey will allow to the poore priſoners at

apphcdbv reÞr15 by 0 our belted Lady.thatoproms partem elegrt, vetw as.ithy wav of compariſon with Marthaes life, which was an atiue ei practicall lite mecr-ls remporall.and therewithall vey commendable and good, bur yer not tobe compared with an ative Eeclefatticall which includeth bach prague and i>eculmiuec hte in it,as Saint Peter did) of theſe two is the que- {tion : whether is the worthier. And rhe common optaion of diuines being this , thatin ſome fenic the contemplariue tife compared tothe Seraphines exerciſe in all ſpirituall loue dehghrs 1s th. ch efelt and molt perfeR as the Seraphines are the Rieh 1 oicrot Ang:* is.& 11 iome _orher rele ct the actuc life comparcd ro theCherubins asc heir exercile CONe Gifts in an Act of the vnderfiaging & Knowledge of things in God aloue,appropriated to theſe holy Angels of the ſecond order 15 pettecte: thn thatagaine, another way c onciuding that as veſcobear:fica or erernall beatirnde confiits O* 11 74+ telyrondo miello tis a9 amankde welutzte Down, 0 whcre both aQHine and contewplatiue life are toyned in one perſon ab{tracted from all worldly or temporall actions,there and in that party muſt necds be a prcheminence of perfe&ion, abouc erher the once o the viher a Part, In regard 11 he reot there nener WAS any doubt made,but that SaJart Peter h3- wing both his vnderſtanding & will occupied in know!cdge and loue of his Lord and maiſter aboue the reſt : and with- all thereupon tending in all his actions to both ſtares of actiue and contempl-riue life,he was of, and in a more perfe& * Rate & way to perfection then S$o1nt lohn was,though both of them exerciſed both theſe lines:andSaint [ob more pro- peilv (ard ru be of a contemplate, and Samt Peter of an afiue I: fe.Bur now for the lefuits, they will hauc and take v- pon them the name of religious ; that 15,0t a conremplatiue Ite,and withall will not endure to becalled ſeculars : and vet tike vpon them aſecular itate of ite which 1s ative, And tarther,accompany Martha tather then Mary in all hings «h:chare mecretemporall. And to to concludegthey are neither atues,nor contemplatiues:nethe: have they the per» {chop of any of all ihe 2, ttates Eceletalitcall, monaliicall orteemporallinany of their acuons,

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11i/bich, or to [iudents at home, or cther places where the Seminary, and (ccular Prieſtes live ynder chem, and theretorc right ly called their priſoners, as kept lo ftreightly that hey may not recreate them{clues to- gether, nor two of them haue any ipcech or conterence without athird, with many like Turkiſh cru:lties, whichrheſe tyrants vie againſt the En- pliſh Prieſtes , whileltthey liucinall1ollitie, wealth and plcature them- {clues there:as in all other bookes and Apologies you way find fet'out at large of that matter, Seuenthly, they proteſle no continuall filence nor folitarie life , as ſundrie religeous do, and keepe it moli ftriftly : thinking ia deathto come foorth of their Cels, and Cloilters , into the world to hauc any ſpeech, medling or (1ght of any worldly thing. Burt they quite contrarie protefie fuch a popuuarity, {ecularitic, temporalitic, and all mun- dane kind of life and medling in worldly affaircs ,as wonder it is how eucr they have time to thinke of God or any good Saint , Eightly, they pro- tc{le neither chaſtitie nor yer obectence, more then any other' religious order doth: yea no more in very deed ( their manner of performing obe- diencetotheir {luperiour con{idered | chen euery ſecular Prieſt doth, And

ita man goto the wayes and meanes of performance of this their yowe of chaſttic and obcdicnce, it is farreinferiour and more imperfect, vncer- taine and dangerous in them, thenin any or the molt part of other reli- gious orders , Ninthly, iftheir perfeCtion confilt in this : that they labour in preaching, teaching, conuerſion of foules,miniltring of Sacraments, ma- paging of cauſes, with Princes and ciuill perſons, and therctore as divincs ſay ( quia mais eft illuminare quam illuminart : ) fo they aftirme thar they haue takena ſtate of moſt perteCtionthar way vpon them{ and indeed they take ſo much vpon them inthat behalfe, as they lecme to arrogate an Apoſtolicall power and authoritic reſerued to themſclues alone, therein ipeaking it in plaine tearmes, that the ſeculars ought not to meddle in ſuch affaires, "but content themſelues like ſillic fi mple men , with hearing con- teſlions at molt, or onely {ayingot Maſle , for as for confeſſions I wis they will not with their o00d-wils permit that a ſecular Prieſt ſhould take the IP þ confeliions of any ; vnleſſe it be of meane perſons and poore folkes, where : No gaine nor commocitie is to be had but at Gods hand onely : yet by thele worſhipfull Rabbiesleaues, if they vſurpe ſecular Prieſts places and authority , and thereupon challenge a degree of pertection vnto then, be- | fore and aboue al! other, then would I know from whence they haue that oift to i/[uminate,and power andauthority of preaching, teaching, heating | confc{{ions, and other lil Ecclefaſticall iurifdictions, | For asfor their managing of Civill and Martiall cauſes, as inuaſion of.

kingdomes, raiſing of rebellions,detamation of Princes, and bringirg all in-

to 2 popular contempt , that are not themſclues or dependent on they,

and the like abſurd.ties as they haue received no ſuch commiſſion from

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as ſuggeſted by him, and afcer bred in their itching, ambicious idle working

braines,lono ſecular will wiſh, ſecke, or accept of that their {editioustur- '

bulent and bloudy office(vnfic of all other for Prieſts to deale in)out of their hands.Ir is therefore of the former Eccleſjalticalliuriſdictions & lawfull au- chorities, whereof I ſpeake, & would know from whence & of whomthey haue them, Eicher they mult haue them immediatly from God,or elſe from man,

To ſay they haue them immediatly from God, I thinke they will not;but yet if they dare {ay lo(2s who cantel what giddy heads putted yp withſwel- ling pride, impudency & infolency wil tay or do, when it ſtands the ypon ro {tandtotheir tacklings,or cl{c hays ail their followers & diſciples forlake them: ) then firlt it wil be demanded per qua regular do they proue it?Se= condly,wwhatteliimony or witnefle haue they for it? Thirdly, how, when & in what place wasthis new infiitution of Eccleſialtiques promiſe granted, confirmed & ratifhied?Fourthly by what figne, toke, wonder or _—_— {hal we know it is from God immediatly: for miracles we mult haue,for confir- mations of all new doCtrine & approbation of ancient Catholike traditions, he borne, whoſe ſonne was he, where and how was be brought vp, how li- ued he, how died he, that was the firlt author or illuminate of this inno- uation and change?Sixtly and laſt of all, after all theſe things are examined and knowne, and that with helpe of an «£/opzax fable, they can brings into a conceit ofa Lycean Tower to be firmely builtin the imaginatiue horeſcope of their wandring zodiacke : yet will they all be proued by this meanes to be {lac forerunners of Antichriſt, and Archinucnters ofnew Pu- ratinilme , worſe then euer yet was heard of: or elſe made to do publike pennance throughout all Churches in Chriftendome, confeſling before the whole world ( as I pray God graunttnem grace , humility and pati- encerodoit) what blind guides and ſeducers of innocent hearts , they haue bene: leading many ſoules into eminent danger of perdition,by arro- 2atingto to much vnto themſelues,&c,

Againe if they ſay they haue this authority , and by conſequent are in ſtate of pertection aboue the ſeculars by inſtitution and gift of and from the Pope his Holinefle and Sea Apoſtolike : then it will be replied by necellary ſequele ypon them. Firlt,thatthe Pope himſelfe mult needes

be thereby. of a more perfect life then they are, which in no wiſe _ they will yeeld ynto : yea arrogating an extraordinarie familiaritie with God , to be due to them alone, and a kind of impoſſibilitie of errour m their Synodali conſulcations, called ynder and by their Generall ; their {peciall prerogative and meanesto bring any one to perfeRion ( they are ſofarre from yeelding or granting it,at leaſt equally with them) to his Ho- lmeſle is ſuch, as they haue preached openly in Sparxe againlt Pope Srxrus

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the laſt of all holy memorie, and rayling againſt him as againſt a moſt wic- ked man and monſter on earth : they haue called him a Lutheran here- ticke, they haue termed him a wolte,they haue ſaid he had vadone all Chri- Rendom ithe had liued-and in few,Card.Zeftarmine himlelf,as ludge Para- mount , being asked what he thought of his death, anſwered: 2; ſine pent- tentia init + ſme penitentia moritar proculdubio ad ifernum deſcendit:and to an £g/4/þ Doctor of our nation, he laid: Concepts verbis,quantum capio, 11artiim [apio, quantum intellgo deſcendit ad infernum. Well ler this paſie as a coimfortto ſecularsto be ful of impertections,& as yaworthie creatures to be jultly cenſured of by cheſe worthie perfectives,that dare judge their chief Paſtor: whichno ſacred Sinode, nor OEcumenicall Councell, cither wold, either dur(t euer haue done ſo betore them, Secondly , it theſe new illumi- nates take their perfeRtion from this principle, 21a mas eff i/nminare qua i/lminari, then muſt they by neceſſarie ſequele herein , alſo be pleated to heare it, that #24515 eff dare quam accipere: and theretore if the Stace Ec- * cleſialtical! & ſecularCleargie giuerthem this authoritie, wherby they come tothis peereleſle perfeRtion @ fortzori:yer (til the ſecular Prelars as the giuers thereof, mult be before thEin that degree ofperteCtion . Thirdly, in order of perfeCtions, this hath euer bene an auncient Canonicall obſeruation and rule ofnone denied: that any religious perſon may paſle into an other order of religion, that is ſtricter then his owne is, whereuntohe hath vowed him< felfe, atthe firſt intending therein to live and dye ; andallthisinregardthac the ſaid (riter order is holden to be a [tate of more perteCtion, and nearer familiaritie or intercourſe with God and his holy Angels, and Saints , Bur now admit the Ieſuites order, orrather ſocictie (for they are ſuch liraunge men, as all muſt conſiſt of innouations, nouelties, and new names amongl(t them) were fo ſtrit, as in regardot this point of perteEtion, none mighe paſſc out of their ſocietic into any other religious order: yet as out of all o< ther religious orders , there haue paſled fome in allagesto take ſecular charge, C> curam animarum vpon them, loalloout ofthe Teſuites focietie, there haue paſſed diuers that haue dene Cardinals, &c. And if they denye Cardinals to be ſeculars, or to take charge of ſoules vponthem: once Iam fure they are not Monaſticall, and by conſequent, the tarther ſecluded fr6 ſeculars or eccleſraltiques,the more temporail and laicall muſt needes their lizes be, Bur yer ſeeing all this notwithſtanding they may come our of the {ocietie ro be Cardinals, and then 4 fortzors to be Biſhops, orother Prelats and Paſtors more direRly raking curam anumarum vpon them, it followeth that alwaies their tate of pertection is inferior to the ſecular, Fourrhly,thar thing wherein the merit is either counted greaterin ſecking for it, or in ac- cepring ofit being offered,orthe finne greaterin neglecting totake ir, orre- fulall being commaunded; is cuer of more perteCtion then any other wan- ting thoſe circumſtances, But as no man js dound, neither may he leue his

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